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		<title>By: dcSteve</title>
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		<dc:creator>dcSteve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 03:55:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;P&gt;Sorry Dennis Obell, but AOR in its heyday did not play &quot;a deep variety of stuff.&quot; AOR formatted ealry 70s free-form radio, and while it may have offered a wider variety than one hears today on &quot;active rock&quot; or whatever stations, it emphasized a fairly narrow range of major-label, mostly pre-punk sounding mainstream rock.&lt;/P&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry Dennis Obell, but AOR in its heyday did not play &#8220;a deep variety of stuff.&#8221; AOR formatted ealry 70s free-form radio, and while it may have offered a wider variety than one hears today on &#8220;active rock&#8221; or whatever stations, it emphasized a fairly narrow range of major-label, mostly pre-punk sounding mainstream rock.</p>
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		<title>By: TheContrarian</title>
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		<dc:creator>TheContrarian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Nov 2007 11:03:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;P&gt;As I understand it,  Clear Channel &quot;selloffs&quot; aren&#039;t anythig to get too excited about. Sure, the stations have been offloaded. But the private equity firms that snapped up CC&#039;s assets in 2006 retain an interest in these stations, and, once the shareholders stop freaking out, might move to reabsorb them. Especially if the FCC votes to further relax its rules re: consolidation.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Clear Channel retains more than 700 stations in 88 markets out of the top 100 ranked by size. Its private equity masters also have holdings in two other radio behemoths, Uivision and Cumulus. This allows them to own a number of stations well exceeding the caps imposed by the FCC. Sneaky? Probably. Damaging to diversity? Definitely.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;I hate to sound like a damn shill all the time, but there&#039;s tons more info about CC and radio consolidation &lt;A href=&quot;http://www.futureofmusic.org/research/radiostudy06.cfm&quot;&gt;here&lt;/A&gt;.&lt;/P&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I understand it,  Clear Channel &#8220;selloffs&#8221; aren&#8217;t anythig to get too excited about. Sure, the stations have been offloaded. But the private equity firms that snapped up CC&#8217;s assets in 2006 retain an interest in these stations, and, once the shareholders stop freaking out, might move to reabsorb them. Especially if the FCC votes to further relax its rules re: consolidation.</p>
<p>Clear Channel retains more than 700 stations in 88 markets out of the top 100 ranked by size. Its private equity masters also have holdings in two other radio behemoths, Uivision and Cumulus. This allows them to own a number of stations well exceeding the caps imposed by the FCC. Sneaky? Probably. Damaging to diversity? Definitely.</p>
<p>I hate to sound like a damn shill all the time, but there&#8217;s tons more info about CC and radio consolidation <a href="http://www.futureofmusic.org/research/radiostudy06.cfm">here</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 11:02:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Well, this argument about why they Clear Channel doesn&#039;t play Bruce would be very well-taken if Roger Friedman&#039;s report had been accurate, but it wasn&#039;t. And minimal research by Friedman (who appears to know little about the radio industry) would have shown that it wasn&#039;t not true.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It is not difficult to find out what&#039;s being played on the radio. In markets of any size, airplay is continuously monitored -- by BDS/Nielsen, which uses a complex computer-footprinting model, and by Mediabase, which uses human monitors sitting and listening.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And, according to Mediabase stats cited by Clear Channel, CC&#039;s stations in monitored markets (that is, most of them) &lt;i&gt;are&lt;/i&gt; playing &lt;i&gt;Magic&lt;/i&gt;. In fact, CC stations are playing tracks from &lt;i&gt;Magic&lt;/i&gt; more than stations owned by any other broadcast group. Which may not amount to much airplay, but it does show the inaccuracy of Friedman&#039;s allegation.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In the interest of full disclosure, Clear Channel owns Mediabase. But if anyone figures that means it would fudge the data to show nonexistent airplay -- airplay that would quickly be revealed to be nonexistent by rival airplay-monitoring services that have no love for Mediabase -- that person is 1) silly, 2) clueless about radio, and 3) vastly overestimating the significance of Bruce Springsteen.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;At the very least, that CC has disputed (or more properly, refuted) Friedman&#039;s claim should have been noted in this story.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, this argument about why they Clear Channel doesn&#8217;t play Bruce would be very well-taken if Roger Friedman&#8217;s report had been accurate, but it wasn&#8217;t. And minimal research by Friedman (who appears to know little about the radio industry) would have shown that it wasn&#8217;t not true.</p>
<p>It is not difficult to find out what&#8217;s being played on the radio. In markets of any size, airplay is continuously monitored &#8212; by BDS/Nielsen, which uses a complex computer-footprinting model, and by Mediabase, which uses human monitors sitting and listening.</p>
<p>And, according to Mediabase stats cited by Clear Channel, CC&#8217;s stations in monitored markets (that is, most of them) <i>are</i> playing <i>Magic</i>. In fact, CC stations are playing tracks from <i>Magic</i> more than stations owned by any other broadcast group. Which may not amount to much airplay, but it does show the inaccuracy of Friedman&#8217;s allegation.</p>
<p>In the interest of full disclosure, Clear Channel owns Mediabase. But if anyone figures that means it would fudge the data to show nonexistent airplay &#8212; airplay that would quickly be revealed to be nonexistent by rival airplay-monitoring services that have no love for Mediabase &#8212; that person is 1) silly, 2) clueless about radio, and 3) vastly overestimating the significance of Bruce Springsteen.</p>
<p>At the very least, that CC has disputed (or more properly, refuted) Friedman&#8217;s claim should have been noted in this story.</p>
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		<title>By: MrStarhead</title>
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		<dc:creator>MrStarhead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 02:21:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;KATT in Oklahoma City still plays a mix of classic and new, or at least they were still doing it when I moved away in 2004; they&#039;d even give new ZZ Top or AC/DC some spins.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>KATT in Oklahoma City still plays a mix of classic and new, or at least they were still doing it when I moved away in 2004; they&#8217;d even give new ZZ Top or AC/DC some spins.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 11:14:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;@&lt;a href=&quot;#c2820326&quot;&gt;HowCron&lt;/a&gt;: &lt;br&gt;
Here&#039;s some more evidence, this time more recent, from Minneapolis/St. Paul...not only do they own airwaves, but get a piece of touring, theater, and billboard action as well.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.citypages.com/databank/26/1263/article12961.asp&quot;&gt;[www.citypages.com]&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c2820326">HowCron</a>: <br />
Here&#8217;s some more evidence, this time more recent, from Minneapolis/St. Paul&#8230;not only do they own airwaves, but get a piece of touring, theater, and billboard action as well.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.citypages.com/databank/26/1263/article12961.asp">[www.citypages.com]</a></p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 11:10:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;@&lt;a href=&quot;#c2820326&quot;&gt;HowCron&lt;/a&gt;:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;perhaps, but it owns MANY stations within what are considered the &quot;major markets&quot; - these are the cities and stations tthat set the tone for the industry nationwide.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;a cursory search yeilded these figures (from 2002, so perhaps a bit out of date):&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Honolulu - 7 stations&lt;br&gt;
DeMoines - 6&lt;br&gt;
Ft. Myers - 8&lt;br&gt;
San Diego - 14 (!!!!!)&lt;br&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.wired.com/techbiz/media/news/2002/08/54036&quot;&gt;[www.wired.com]&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;where I live (Pittsburgh), CC owns 5 FM and 2 AM stations. that&#039;s a pretty sizable chunk of radio dial real estate.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;to suggest that they don&#039;t set the tone for the industry is laughable.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c2820326">HowCron</a>:</p>
<p>perhaps, but it owns MANY stations within what are considered the &#8220;major markets&#8221; &#8211; these are the cities and stations tthat set the tone for the industry nationwide.</p>
<p>a cursory search yeilded these figures (from 2002, so perhaps a bit out of date):</p>
<p>Honolulu &#8211; 7 stations<br />
DeMoines &#8211; 6<br />
Ft. Myers &#8211; 8<br />
San Diego &#8211; 14 (!!!!!)<br />
<a href="http://www.wired.com/techbiz/media/news/2002/08/54036">[www.wired.com]</a></p>
<p>where I live (Pittsburgh), CC owns 5 FM and 2 AM stations. that&#8217;s a pretty sizable chunk of radio dial real estate.</p>
<p>to suggest that they don&#8217;t set the tone for the industry is laughable.</p>
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		<title>By: HowCron</title>
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		<dc:creator>HowCron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 08:40:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I&#039;ve heard Radio Nowhere on WHJY (a clear channel station) many times.  It sounds like Friedman is just a hater.  Also, clear channel only owns something like 9% of all US commercial radio stations... and according to the news, they&#039;ve been selling off a bunch of smaller market stations recently.  Kind of puts a damper on your whole &quot;the radio monopolists at Clear Channel&quot; bit.  Last I heard, 9% (or less) is no where NEAR a monopoly.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve heard Radio Nowhere on WHJY (a clear channel station) many times.  It sounds like Friedman is just a hater.  Also, clear channel only owns something like 9% of all US commercial radio stations&#8230; and according to the news, they&#8217;ve been selling off a bunch of smaller market stations recently.  Kind of puts a damper on your whole &#8220;the radio monopolists at Clear Channel&#8221; bit.  Last I heard, 9% (or less) is no where NEAR a monopoly.</p>
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		<title>By: Charlie Kerfelds Jetsons Tee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charlie Kerfelds Jetsons Tee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 07:30:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;P&gt;@&lt;A href=&quot;http://idolator.com/tunes/ageism%3F/clear-channel-more-interested-in-playing-old-music-than-music-by-old-people-316765.php#c2817758&quot;&gt;dennisobell&lt;/A&gt;: Very well put.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;The ONLY station I&#039;ve heard that still does the AOR thing is probably KLBJ in Austin. They always struck me as playing a pretty fair mixture of old songs and newer songs by older artists.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Can any Austinites back me up on that? I moved away almost two years ago, so things may have changed...&lt;/P&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="http://idolator.com/tunes/ageism%3F/clear-channel-more-interested-in-playing-old-music-than-music-by-old-people-316765.php#c2817758">dennisobell</a>: Very well put.</p>
<p>The ONLY station I&#8217;ve heard that still does the AOR thing is probably KLBJ in Austin. They always struck me as playing a pretty fair mixture of old songs and newer songs by older artists.</p>
<p>Can any Austinites back me up on that? I moved away almost two years ago, so things may have changed&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Halfwit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Halfwit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 06:47:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;@&lt;a href=&quot;#c2817758&quot;&gt;dennisobell&lt;/a&gt;: Marry me...&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;err...&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I mean... awesome analysis, bro (chest bump)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c2817758">dennisobell</a>: Marry me&#8230;</p>
<p>err&#8230;</p>
<p>I mean&#8230; awesome analysis, bro (chest bump)</p>
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		<title>By: Lax Danja House</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lax Danja House</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 05:58:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I wholly reject the notion that any new single with Chad Kroeger should be featured anywhere.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: Chris Molanphy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Molanphy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 05:33:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;P&gt;You nailed it in your concluding paragraph, but if I may, let me paraphrase using some industry/radio terminology...&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Prior to the &#039;80s, there was one major rock radio format: &lt;B&gt;AOR&lt;/B&gt; (album-oriented rock). Sure, what made AOR great in its heyday was that it played a deep variety of stuff; but across the country, the basic concept was the same -- play &quot;classic&quot; songs by a selection of a couple hundred anointed rock acts, and then play &lt;B&gt;current stuff&lt;/B&gt; by those same rock acts alongside the older tracks. A handful of totally new acts with some form of &quot;rock cred&quot; would get added to the mix. But by and large, an AOR station was playing current Pink Floyd next to old Pink Floyd, a Greg Allman song alongside an Allman Bros. classic, etc.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;This format is distinct from that &#039;80s-invented, now-ubiquitous format, &lt;B&gt;classic rock&lt;/B&gt;, which is basically the above AOR playlist &lt;I&gt;minus all the current stuff&lt;/I&gt;. Once the public perceived in the &#039;80s that the &quot;great&quot; days of rock were behind it, the idea was that you could fill the day with nothing but the middle 15 years of rock history (roughly 1965-80) and ignore those acts&#039; current work -- say, Robert Plant&#039;s &quot;Tall Cool One&quot; or Fleetwood Mac&#039;s &quot;Little Lies.&quot; Why play &quot;Little Lies&quot; when you&#039;ve still got &quot;Dreams&quot; and &quot;Say You Love Me&quot;?&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Flash forward to today. Simply put, AOR is now mostly dead. Very few stations play &quot;deep album cuts,&quot; and the format that &lt;I&gt;Billboard&lt;/I&gt; now calls &quot;Mainstream Rock&quot; or &quot;Active Rock&quot; is a watered-down version of modern rock that eliminates all classic-rock songs before 1990, as well as what few bits of indie/gothy/femmy music remain in the Modern Rock genre. It&#039;s bro-rock, or ballcap-wearer&#039;s rock.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;In short, there is literally no format for new Bruce music in 2007. Classic rock&#039;s catalog has been updated to encompass the late &#039;80-early &#039;90s, but they&#039;re still not playing anything current. Manistream Rock plays Foo Fighters and Puddle of Mudd, not Bruce. Modern Rock never played Springsteen. Adult Contemporary would play a new-model Bruce ballad like &quot;Streets of Philadelphia&quot; or &quot;Secret Garden,&quot; but it had better appear in the modern-day equivalent of &lt;I&gt;Jerry Maguire&lt;/I&gt;. And Top 40 abandoned Bruce after 1993.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;In short, Friedman&#039;s an idiot (surprise, surprise): There is no conspiracy. Clear Channel sucks because radio formatting sucks, not because they&#039;re blackballing the Boss.&lt;/P&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You nailed it in your concluding paragraph, but if I may, let me paraphrase using some industry/radio terminology&#8230;</p>
<p>Prior to the &#8217;80s, there was one major rock radio format: <b>AOR</b> (album-oriented rock). Sure, what made AOR great in its heyday was that it played a deep variety of stuff; but across the country, the basic concept was the same &#8212; play &#8220;classic&#8221; songs by a selection of a couple hundred anointed rock acts, and then play <b>current stuff</b> by those same rock acts alongside the older tracks. A handful of totally new acts with some form of &#8220;rock cred&#8221; would get added to the mix. But by and large, an AOR station was playing current Pink Floyd next to old Pink Floyd, a Greg Allman song alongside an Allman Bros. classic, etc.</p>
<p>This format is distinct from that &#8217;80s-invented, now-ubiquitous format, <b>classic rock</b>, which is basically the above AOR playlist <i>minus all the current stuff</i>. Once the public perceived in the &#8217;80s that the &#8220;great&#8221; days of rock were behind it, the idea was that you could fill the day with nothing but the middle 15 years of rock history (roughly 1965-80) and ignore those acts&#8217; current work &#8212; say, Robert Plant&#8217;s &#8220;Tall Cool One&#8221; or Fleetwood Mac&#8217;s &#8220;Little Lies.&#8221; Why play &#8220;Little Lies&#8221; when you&#8217;ve still got &#8220;Dreams&#8221; and &#8220;Say You Love Me&#8221;?</p>
<p>Flash forward to today. Simply put, AOR is now mostly dead. Very few stations play &#8220;deep album cuts,&#8221; and the format that <i>Billboard</i> now calls &#8220;Mainstream Rock&#8221; or &#8220;Active Rock&#8221; is a watered-down version of modern rock that eliminates all classic-rock songs before 1990, as well as what few bits of indie/gothy/femmy music remain in the Modern Rock genre. It&#8217;s bro-rock, or ballcap-wearer&#8217;s rock.</p>
<p>In short, there is literally no format for new Bruce music in 2007. Classic rock&#8217;s catalog has been updated to encompass the late &#8217;80-early &#8217;90s, but they&#8217;re still not playing anything current. Manistream Rock plays Foo Fighters and Puddle of Mudd, not Bruce. Modern Rock never played Springsteen. Adult Contemporary would play a new-model Bruce ballad like &#8220;Streets of Philadelphia&#8221; or &#8220;Secret Garden,&#8221; but it had better appear in the modern-day equivalent of <i>Jerry Maguire</i>. And Top 40 abandoned Bruce after 1993.</p>
<p>In short, Friedman&#8217;s an idiot (surprise, surprise): There is no conspiracy. Clear Channel sucks because radio formatting sucks, not because they&#8217;re blackballing the Boss.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 05:19:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;P&gt;Couldn&#039;t have anything to do with his politics, could it? Nah.&lt;/P&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: The Van Buren Boys</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Van Buren Boys</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 04:42:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;The same stations that should be playing Santana&#039;s new singles with Chad Kroeger&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Nobody, I repeat, &lt;b&gt;nobody&lt;/b&gt; should be playing this song under any circumstance.  I happened to come across the video for this song on VH1 and the song is just awful.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The same stations that should be playing Santana&#8217;s new singles with Chad Kroeger</i></p>
<p>Nobody, I repeat, <b>nobody</b> should be playing this song under any circumstance.  I happened to come across the video for this song on VH1 and the song is just awful.</p>
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