Comments on: Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame Nominees Continue To Make Cranky Rock Critics Even Crankier http://idolator.com/323131/rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees-continue-to-make-cranky-rock-critics-even-crankier Music News, Reviews, and Gossip on Idolator.com Sat, 26 May 2012 13:44:53 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Anonymous http://idolator.com/323131/rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees-continue-to-make-cranky-rock-critics-even-crankier/comment-page-1#comment-347382 Anonymous Fri, 16 Nov 2007 08:13:48 +0000 http://06f0d6d5ad73482344d7900de022bd75#comment-347382 <p>Chic, in addition to being a SEVERAL-hit wonder, had a freakin' guitar hero in Nile Rodgers. So they'll fit right in.</p> Chic, in addition to being a SEVERAL-hit wonder, had a freakin’ guitar hero in Nile Rodgers. So they’ll fit right in.

]]> By: MameDennis http://idolator.com/323131/rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees-continue-to-make-cranky-rock-critics-even-crankier/comment-page-1#comment-347392 MameDennis Fri, 16 Nov 2007 03:42:06 +0000 http://06f0d6d5ad73482344d7900de022bd75#comment-347392 <P>If the standard was that new entrants had to be on the same level of influence as the Beatles or the Stones, come ON, there won't be any new entrants. Ever.</P> <P>The DC5 were a highly underrated band, IMHO, and it's absolutely silly to shut out one of the most visible British Invasion groups. Keep in mind that if not for Jann Wenner's meddling, they would have been in last year. (And after all Mike Smith has been through, the man deserves some appreciation.)</P> <P>And HELL YEAH the Ventures belong in the HOF.</P> If the standard was that new entrants had to be on the same level of influence as the Beatles or the Stones, come ON, there won’t be any new entrants. Ever.

The DC5 were a highly underrated band, IMHO, and it’s absolutely silly to shut out one of the most visible British Invasion groups. Keep in mind that if not for Jann Wenner’s meddling, they would have been in last year. (And after all Mike Smith has been through, the man deserves some appreciation.)

And HELL YEAH the Ventures belong in the HOF.

]]> By: Oldboy http://idolator.com/323131/rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees-continue-to-make-cranky-rock-critics-even-crankier/comment-page-1#comment-347412 Oldboy Fri, 16 Nov 2007 01:27:51 +0000 http://06f0d6d5ad73482344d7900de022bd75#comment-347412 <p>I rather like this roster, if only for its diversity. John Mellencamp is really just an overachieving journeyman, but face it--it was inevitable, so just grin and bear it.</p> <p>Why bitch about the Beastie Boys? They've had a great career.</p> <p>And hey---the DC5 were at least fun, melodic, and unpretentious. Now if only their control-freak leader would keep the recordings in print...come on, Idolators, sing along---Catch Us If You Caaaan...</p> <p>There, now it's lodged in your brain for the rest of the night.</p> <p>You're welcome.</p> I rather like this roster, if only for its diversity. John Mellencamp is really just an overachieving journeyman, but face it–it was inevitable, so just grin and bear it.

Why bitch about the Beastie Boys? They’ve had a great career.

And hey—the DC5 were at least fun, melodic, and unpretentious. Now if only their control-freak leader would keep the recordings in print…come on, Idolators, sing along—Catch Us If You Caaaan…

There, now it’s lodged in your brain for the rest of the night.

You’re welcome.

]]> By: Anonymous http://idolator.com/323131/rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees-continue-to-make-cranky-rock-critics-even-crankier/comment-page-1#comment-347402 Anonymous Fri, 16 Nov 2007 01:23:01 +0000 http://06f0d6d5ad73482344d7900de022bd75#comment-347402 <p>I get his sentiment. The HOF is, in name, for ROCK AND ROLL, not pop music, i.e. sold a shitload of records.<br> If you are into Rock and Roll, you have a problem with just any old big-selling clean act sidling up with your dirty idols. If you see it as a catch-all museum display for old shit you want to remember, you don't care if Neil Sedaka gets blown by Snow on stage while Guns n' Roses waits in the wings to claim their statue.</p> I get his sentiment. The HOF is, in name, for ROCK AND ROLL, not pop music, i.e. sold a shitload of records.
If you are into Rock and Roll, you have a problem with just any old big-selling clean act sidling up with your dirty idols. If you see it as a catch-all museum display for old shit you want to remember, you don’t care if Neil Sedaka gets blown by Snow on stage while Guns n’ Roses waits in the wings to claim their statue.

]]> By: KittytheKat http://idolator.com/323131/rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees-continue-to-make-cranky-rock-critics-even-crankier/comment-page-1#comment-347422 KittytheKat Thu, 15 Nov 2007 11:17:21 +0000 http://06f0d6d5ad73482344d7900de022bd75#comment-347422 <P>Oh come on----besides Hawaii 5 0 and get 'em Danno what else do the Ventures have? Now, let us list all of the artists that Chic gave way to and produced for!!!! And then let's talk. Diana Ross,YUK!, Madonna, YUK! Carly Simon, and of course LUTHER! The only one that deserves it is Leonard Cohen!</P> Oh come on—-besides Hawaii 5 0 and get ‘em Danno what else do the Ventures have? Now, let us list all of the artists that Chic gave way to and produced for!!!! And then let’s talk. Diana Ross,YUK!, Madonna, YUK! Carly Simon, and of course LUTHER! The only one that deserves it is Leonard Cohen!

]]> By: Charlie Kerfelds Jetsons Tee http://idolator.com/323131/rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees-continue-to-make-cranky-rock-critics-even-crankier/comment-page-1#comment-347432 Charlie Kerfelds Jetsons Tee Thu, 15 Nov 2007 10:46:38 +0000 http://06f0d6d5ad73482344d7900de022bd75#comment-347432 <P>@<A href="http://idolator.com/tunes/disco-inferno/rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees-continue-to-make-cranky-rock-critics-even-crankier-323131.php#c2991062">janine</A>: ...and my love for Janine grows.</P> @janine: …and my love for Janine grows.

]]> By: Anonymous http://idolator.com/323131/rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees-continue-to-make-cranky-rock-critics-even-crankier/comment-page-1#comment-347442 Anonymous Thu, 15 Nov 2007 10:26:58 +0000 http://06f0d6d5ad73482344d7900de022bd75#comment-347442 <P>@<A href="http://idolator.com/tunes/disco-inferno/rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees-continue-to-make-cranky-rock-critics-even-crankier-323131.php#c2993706">Captain Wrong</A>: Lol, you know, this Fort Wayne resident has often wondered if the state government snuck through some radio-station Mellencamp quota. Honestly, he's that omnipresent. The saddest part? I still kind of like him. Fuck that commercial though. Once upon a time I didn't have to hit the mute button for every single commercial-break during a Colts game.</P> @Captain Wrong: Lol, you know, this Fort Wayne resident has often wondered if the state government snuck through some radio-station Mellencamp quota. Honestly, he’s that omnipresent. The saddest part? I still kind of like him. Fuck that commercial though. Once upon a time I didn’t have to hit the mute button for every single commercial-break during a Colts game.

]]> By: Captain Wrong http://idolator.com/323131/rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees-continue-to-make-cranky-rock-critics-even-crankier/comment-page-1#comment-347452 Captain Wrong Thu, 15 Nov 2007 09:33:05 +0000 http://06f0d6d5ad73482344d7900de022bd75#comment-347452 <p>On the same page about Chic. I mean, haven't critics finally gotten the memo that it's ok to like disco?</p> <p>And if he can't understand the importance of the Ventures, he really should turn in his critic's badge right now.</p> <p>I still think the idea of the RnRHOF is absurd at best.</p> <p>@Van Buren & Ted Striker, man, try living in Indiana where worshiping the Coug is practically legally mandated. Any Hoosier not sick of this clown by age 15 has something wrong with them.</p> On the same page about Chic. I mean, haven’t critics finally gotten the memo that it’s ok to like disco?

And if he can’t understand the importance of the Ventures, he really should turn in his critic’s badge right now.

I still think the idea of the RnRHOF is absurd at best.

@Van Buren & Ted Striker, man, try living in Indiana where worshiping the Coug is practically legally mandated. Any Hoosier not sick of this clown by age 15 has something wrong with them.

]]> By: Anonymous http://idolator.com/323131/rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees-continue-to-make-cranky-rock-critics-even-crankier/comment-page-1#comment-347462 Anonymous Thu, 15 Nov 2007 08:24:27 +0000 http://06f0d6d5ad73482344d7900de022bd75#comment-347462 <P>Last month, my aunt and I had a very similar discussion and it was just as infuriating. She argued that Madonna was a lock for induction, but she couldn't say the same for the Beastie Boys because this is, after all, the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and not the Rap Hall of Fame. I argued that if pop acts are allowed, so too must rap acts (unless you like meeting with Jesse and Al). I honestly don't know what was more frustrating to me - the stance she took or that I was arguing about music with someone who only last year gave Nirvana a try.</P> Last month, my aunt and I had a very similar discussion and it was just as infuriating. She argued that Madonna was a lock for induction, but she couldn’t say the same for the Beastie Boys because this is, after all, the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and not the Rap Hall of Fame. I argued that if pop acts are allowed, so too must rap acts (unless you like meeting with Jesse and Al). I honestly don’t know what was more frustrating to me – the stance she took or that I was arguing about music with someone who only last year gave Nirvana a try.

]]> By: Ted Striker http://idolator.com/323131/rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees-continue-to-make-cranky-rock-critics-even-crankier/comment-page-1#comment-347472 Ted Striker Thu, 15 Nov 2007 08:15:14 +0000 http://06f0d6d5ad73482344d7900de022bd75#comment-347472 <P>@<A href="http://idolator.com/tunes/disco-inferno/rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees-continue-to-make-cranky-rock-critics-even-crankier-323131.php#c2987883">natepatrin</A>:</P> <P>I've always thought of the erstwhile Cougar as more of an Ozzie Guillien myself. A mediocre player, but goddamn if he isn't everywhere you look.+</P> @natepatrin:

I’ve always thought of the erstwhile Cougar as more of an Ozzie Guillien myself. A mediocre player, but goddamn if he isn’t everywhere you look.+

]]> By: The Van Buren Boys http://idolator.com/323131/rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees-continue-to-make-cranky-rock-critics-even-crankier/comment-page-1#comment-347482 The Van Buren Boys Thu, 15 Nov 2007 08:13:33 +0000 http://06f0d6d5ad73482344d7900de022bd75#comment-347482 <P>I don't really care which of these nominees actually get in, as long as John Mellencamp doesn't. He should be banned forever just for <I>This is Our Country</I>. That song has literally ruined every televised sporting event for the past year or so.</P> I don’t really care which of these nominees actually get in, as long as John Mellencamp doesn’t. He should be banned forever just for This is Our Country. That song has literally ruined every televised sporting event for the past year or so.

]]> By: westendgirl http://idolator.com/323131/rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees-continue-to-make-cranky-rock-critics-even-crankier/comment-page-1#comment-347492 westendgirl Thu, 15 Nov 2007 07:25:29 +0000 http://06f0d6d5ad73482344d7900de022bd75#comment-347492 <P>I have to defend Chic. (No, I never thought I would be saying those words, either.) In their day, they wrote every bass line worth sampling for the next 25 years. Disco is not a crime.</P> I have to defend Chic. (No, I never thought I would be saying those words, either.) In their day, they wrote every bass line worth sampling for the next 25 years. Disco is not a crime.

]]> By: janine http://idolator.com/323131/rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees-continue-to-make-cranky-rock-critics-even-crankier/comment-page-1#comment-347502 janine Thu, 15 Nov 2007 07:23:02 +0000 http://06f0d6d5ad73482344d7900de022bd75#comment-347502 <p>@<a href="#c2990031">Nately</a>: Very astute, except the only similarity between Vanilla ice and the Ventures is the latter "V." Are you even allowed to play guitar without learning "Walk Don't Run?"</p> @Nately: Very astute, except the only similarity between Vanilla ice and the Ventures is the latter “V.” Are you even allowed to play guitar without learning “Walk Don’t Run?”

]]> By: Nately http://idolator.com/323131/rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees-continue-to-make-cranky-rock-critics-even-crankier/comment-page-1#comment-347512 Nately Thu, 15 Nov 2007 06:39:05 +0000 http://06f0d6d5ad73482344d7900de022bd75#comment-347512 <p>@<a linkindex="568" href="#c2987965">Charlie Kerfelds Jetsons Tee</a>: It would mean a lot to Vanilla Ice, too. That's no reason to give it to him.</p> <p>Ignoring this list of candidates for the moment, I do agree that the RNR HOF is a bit too welcoming. Shouldn't the honor only be reserved for the absolute best of the best, not just guys/gals who were pretty popular?</p> @Charlie Kerfelds Jetsons Tee: It would mean a lot to Vanilla Ice, too. That’s no reason to give it to him.

Ignoring this list of candidates for the moment, I do agree that the RNR HOF is a bit too welcoming. Shouldn’t the honor only be reserved for the absolute best of the best, not just guys/gals who were pretty popular?

]]> By: Chris Molanphy http://idolator.com/323131/rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees-continue-to-make-cranky-rock-critics-even-crankier/comment-page-1#comment-347522 Chris Molanphy Thu, 15 Nov 2007 06:19:26 +0000 http://06f0d6d5ad73482344d7900de022bd75#comment-347522 <P>Urge to kill...rising...</P> <P>What's insidious about that list is that he intersperses a couple of fair, level-headed points (he's right, DC5 really <I>aren't</I> in the same league as their contemporaries; I'm a mild Mellencamp fan, but he has a point there, too) with some truly evil, wrongheaded, rockist Boomer bullshit of the hoariest variety. Any guy who writes things like that about Bambaataa and Chic - in a nationally recognized newspaper, no less - deserves to have his rock critic's badge torn from his lapel.</P> <P>Anyway, I would ask of this jerk what I ask of all bozos who question Rock Hall choices on grounds like, "That's not ROCK, man!" Simple, just say...</P> <P><B>"Yeah, you're right. While we're at it, let's take the Supremes out of there - those singing black girls don't even play instruments, man."</B></P> Urge to kill…rising…

What’s insidious about that list is that he intersperses a couple of fair, level-headed points (he’s right, DC5 really aren’t in the same league as their contemporaries; I’m a mild Mellencamp fan, but he has a point there, too) with some truly evil, wrongheaded, rockist Boomer bullshit of the hoariest variety. Any guy who writes things like that about Bambaataa and Chic – in a nationally recognized newspaper, no less – deserves to have his rock critic’s badge torn from his lapel.

Anyway, I would ask of this jerk what I ask of all bozos who question Rock Hall choices on grounds like, “That’s not ROCK, man!” Simple, just say…

“Yeah, you’re right. While we’re at it, let’s take the Supremes out of there – those singing black girls don’t even play instruments, man.”

]]> By: the rich girls are weeping http://idolator.com/323131/rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees-continue-to-make-cranky-rock-critics-even-crankier/comment-page-1#comment-347532 the rich girls are weeping Thu, 15 Nov 2007 06:16:58 +0000 http://06f0d6d5ad73482344d7900de022bd75#comment-347532 <p>Dear Joel Selvin:</p> <p>Remove that stick from yr ass. It's a lot more comfortable than being an uptight, close-minded racist pig. And really, get your story straight -- are the nominees too dull, or too out-of-left field? Your arguments make NO SENSE.</p> <p>Also, pls get used to the idea that unless you, oh, keep up with the times, you will be made redundant by people who actually oh, like music -- all kinds. Not just critically approved "rock'n'roll." Lighten up, srsly. I mean, sure, you have a point about the people who've been passed over so far, but geez. Everyone will get a turn eventually, I imagine.</p> <p>Personally, I think this is kind of the best list of nominees in years. Because you know, I actually like all of the artists and think they've all brought something intereting to contemporary popular music -- crazy as that might seem.</p> <p>xoxo<br> cindy hotpoint, from the grave</p> Dear Joel Selvin:

Remove that stick from yr ass. It’s a lot more comfortable than being an uptight, close-minded racist pig. And really, get your story straight — are the nominees too dull, or too out-of-left field? Your arguments make NO SENSE.

Also, pls get used to the idea that unless you, oh, keep up with the times, you will be made redundant by people who actually oh, like music — all kinds. Not just critically approved “rock’n'roll.” Lighten up, srsly. I mean, sure, you have a point about the people who’ve been passed over so far, but geez. Everyone will get a turn eventually, I imagine.

Personally, I think this is kind of the best list of nominees in years. Because you know, I actually like all of the artists and think they’ve all brought something intereting to contemporary popular music — crazy as that might seem.

xoxo
cindy hotpoint, from the grave

]]> By: Diglett http://idolator.com/323131/rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees-continue-to-make-cranky-rock-critics-even-crankier/comment-page-1#comment-347542 Diglett Thu, 15 Nov 2007 05:29:40 +0000 http://06f0d6d5ad73482344d7900de022bd75#comment-347542 <P>Donna Summer is more like a 20-hit disco band, which is astronomical for disco, not to mention her influence on subsequent artists. Joel Selvin is not such Hot Stuff.</P> Donna Summer is more like a 20-hit disco band, which is astronomical for disco, not to mention her influence on subsequent artists. Joel Selvin is not such Hot Stuff.

]]> By: Ned Raggett http://idolator.com/323131/rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees-continue-to-make-cranky-rock-critics-even-crankier/comment-page-1#comment-347552 Ned Raggett Thu, 15 Nov 2007 05:19:47 +0000 http://06f0d6d5ad73482344d7900de022bd75#comment-347552 <p>Hahah, my apologies. Too many Betas! But yeah, drinks for all.</p> Hahah, my apologies. Too many Betas! But yeah, drinks for all.

]]> By: beta.rogan http://idolator.com/323131/rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees-continue-to-make-cranky-rock-critics-even-crankier/comment-page-1#comment-347562 beta.rogan Thu, 15 Nov 2007 05:06:38 +0000 http://06f0d6d5ad73482344d7900de022bd75#comment-347562 <p>@<a href="#c2988014">Ned Raggett</a>: hmmm.. I think you may have me mixed up with Andy Beta, but I'll accept any free drinks regardless of how they are earned. My writing, alas, is about cars rather than music.</p> <p>I can however say, that as I sat at the Film Forum waiting for <i>Control</i> to begin, I was forced to watch the preview for <i>I'm Not There</i>. I had a hard time sitting through it without screaming, and it was a mere 5 minutes, let alone the whole movie. I was mentally giving that movie a very loud and angry head-on-chin-sideways-thumbs-down, a-la Spinal Tap fan at the puppet show jazz-odyssey exploration.</p> @Ned Raggett: hmmm.. I think you may have me mixed up with Andy Beta, but I’ll accept any free drinks regardless of how they are earned. My writing, alas, is about cars rather than music.

I can however say, that as I sat at the Film Forum waiting for Control to begin, I was forced to watch the preview for I’m Not There. I had a hard time sitting through it without screaming, and it was a mere 5 minutes, let alone the whole movie. I was mentally giving that movie a very loud and angry head-on-chin-sideways-thumbs-down, a-la Spinal Tap fan at the puppet show jazz-odyssey exploration.

]]> By: Ned Raggett http://idolator.com/323131/rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees-continue-to-make-cranky-rock-critics-even-crankier/comment-page-1#comment-347572 Ned Raggett Thu, 15 Nov 2007 04:53:29 +0000 http://06f0d6d5ad73482344d7900de022bd75#comment-347572 <p>@<a href="#c2987980">beta.rogan</a>: Reminds me I need to buy you a drink for that <i>I'm Not There</i> review.</p> @beta.rogan: Reminds me I need to buy you a drink for that I’m Not There review.

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