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		<title>By: loudersoft</title>
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		<dc:creator>loudersoft</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 12:15:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;@&lt;a href=&quot;#c4156972&quot;&gt;Dennis O&#039;Bell&lt;/a&gt;: In line with what you&#039;ve said about Grammy voters being lazy, I actually have a very believable conspiracy theory which I talked to Maura about online this morning.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What if it&#039;s not even the voting members themselves filling out these ballots?  If working voting members are too busy to return phone calls or answer emails (for example), maybe they&#039;re too busy to fill out these ballots.  If so, what&#039;s to stop an intern at their management company, their mom, their assistant, or anyone else from checking those boxes?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I have good reason to believe that some percentage of the membership doesn&#039;t fill it out themselves due to obligations and time constraints.  And, as you said, if they do, they probably do it &quot;by rote&quot;.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c4156972">Dennis O&#8217;Bell</a>: In line with what you&#8217;ve said about Grammy voters being lazy, I actually have a very believable conspiracy theory which I talked to Maura about online this morning.</p>
<p>What if it&#8217;s not even the voting members themselves filling out these ballots?  If working voting members are too busy to return phone calls or answer emails (for example), maybe they&#8217;re too busy to fill out these ballots.  If so, what&#8217;s to stop an intern at their management company, their mom, their assistant, or anyone else from checking those boxes?</p>
<p>I have good reason to believe that some percentage of the membership doesn&#8217;t fill it out themselves due to obligations and time constraints.  And, as you said, if they do, they probably do it &#8220;by rote&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: blobby</title>
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		<dc:creator>blobby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 04:52:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I believe it was the Guardian who already pointed out, musicians stop making good music as soon as they hit 30.  Herbie Hancock is waaaaaay past 30.  Therefore, his album sucked. &lt;br&gt;
Q.E.D.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In all seriousness, why the fuck didn&#039;t Kanye either win or kill someone after losing?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe it was the Guardian who already pointed out, musicians stop making good music as soon as they hit 30.  Herbie Hancock is waaaaaay past 30.  Therefore, his album sucked. <br />
Q.E.D.</p>
<p>In all seriousness, why the fuck didn&#8217;t Kanye either win or kill someone after losing?</p>
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		<title>By: stephenbush</title>
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		<dc:creator>stephenbush</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 12:45:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Vince Gill should have won Album of the Year, based solely on his hilarious comment to Kanye West whilst accepting a previous award.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vince Gill should have won Album of the Year, based solely on his hilarious comment to Kanye West whilst accepting a previous award.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Molanphy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Molanphy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 11:56:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;@&lt;a href=&quot;#c4156572&quot;&gt;loudersoft&lt;/a&gt;: First off, you think too much of me if you think I have the wherewithal to get anyone to recount anything.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But in any case, what good with that do? I&#039;m not offering conspiracy theories here (DHMBIB is, kinda, and good for him), I&#039;m offering judgment.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I truly don&#039;t doubt that Hancock won a plurality of votes; I only doubt that a bunch of lazy Grammy voters listened to his album and judged it fairly on the merits vs. his competition. I think a box was checked by people too entrenched in bad habits to fairly consider the merits of Kanye, or Amy, or...hell, Vince Gill (if that had won last night, &lt;i&gt;then&lt;/i&gt; you&#039;d be talking about an album I don&#039;t love or care about that I&#039;d respect, thanks to the obvious passion it inspired).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The Grammys are always sentimental, which accounts for a lot of the cynical reaction you see from people the morning after, every year. I am angrier than usual this year, because last night&#039;s win by Hancock is egregiously sentimental even by the Recording Academy&#039;s standards. It&#039;s made some pretty big, often well-intentioned mistakes in its 50-year existence; this one, given the field of competitors, is worse than usual and should be regarded as an embarrassment -- not a blow for the &quot;little guy.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I don&#039;t ask the Grammys to match my taste (good lord! how much would have to change for that to happen!) -- I ask it, in its blinkered field of influence, to make some goddamn &lt;i&gt;sense&lt;/i&gt;: reward something I might not like that clearly moved the Zeitgeist or affected the culture. Give it to bloody Celine Dion, fer cryin&#039; out loud, if that record moved people (&lt;i&gt;Falling Into You&lt;/i&gt;, AOTY, 1996). But don&#039;t give it to a record that&#039;s a latte souvenir just because the guy on the cover is a legend and a swell guy.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c4156572">loudersoft</a>: First off, you think too much of me if you think I have the wherewithal to get anyone to recount anything.</p>
<p>But in any case, what good with that do? I&#8217;m not offering conspiracy theories here (DHMBIB is, kinda, and good for him), I&#8217;m offering judgment.</p>
<p>I truly don&#8217;t doubt that Hancock won a plurality of votes; I only doubt that a bunch of lazy Grammy voters listened to his album and judged it fairly on the merits vs. his competition. I think a box was checked by people too entrenched in bad habits to fairly consider the merits of Kanye, or Amy, or&#8230;hell, Vince Gill (if that had won last night, <i>then</i> you&#8217;d be talking about an album I don&#8217;t love or care about that I&#8217;d respect, thanks to the obvious passion it inspired).</p>
<p>The Grammys are always sentimental, which accounts for a lot of the cynical reaction you see from people the morning after, every year. I am angrier than usual this year, because last night&#8217;s win by Hancock is egregiously sentimental even by the Recording Academy&#8217;s standards. It&#8217;s made some pretty big, often well-intentioned mistakes in its 50-year existence; this one, given the field of competitors, is worse than usual and should be regarded as an embarrassment &#8212; not a blow for the &#8220;little guy.&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t ask the Grammys to match my taste (good lord! how much would have to change for that to happen!) &#8212; I ask it, in its blinkered field of influence, to make some goddamn <i>sense</i>: reward something I might not like that clearly moved the Zeitgeist or affected the culture. Give it to bloody Celine Dion, fer cryin&#8217; out loud, if that record moved people (<i>Falling Into You</i>, AOTY, 1996). But don&#8217;t give it to a record that&#8217;s a latte souvenir just because the guy on the cover is a legend and a swell guy.</p>
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		<title>By: loudersoft</title>
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		<dc:creator>loudersoft</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 11:37:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;@&lt;a href=&quot;#c4156193&quot;&gt;Dennis O&#039;Bell&lt;/a&gt;: Well answer me this, then --&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Are you going to demand a recount? As incensed as you are, right now it merely looks (to the untrained eye) as if you and I uselessly quibbling about the minutiae of people&#039;s relevance to music in the comments section of Idolator, meaning nothing productive will ever come from it.  We can disagree about what is or is not good music -- that&#039;s healthy.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;However, I think you should petition the Recording Academy to recount the ballots if it upsets you this much.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;You just might be right -- maybe he &lt;b&gt;didn&#039;t&lt;/b&gt; actually win.  Every argument you&#039;ve presented here leads me to believe that you&#039;re convinced of the sheer conspiratorial impossibility of Herbie Hancock having won the award, so you should really do something about it.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I can&#039;t take the Grammy back from him, maybe you can.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c4156193">Dennis O&#8217;Bell</a>: Well answer me this, then &#8211;</p>
<p>Are you going to demand a recount? As incensed as you are, right now it merely looks (to the untrained eye) as if you and I uselessly quibbling about the minutiae of people&#8217;s relevance to music in the comments section of Idolator, meaning nothing productive will ever come from it.  We can disagree about what is or is not good music &#8212; that&#8217;s healthy.</p>
<p>However, I think you should petition the Recording Academy to recount the ballots if it upsets you this much.</p>
<p>You just might be right &#8212; maybe he <b>didn&#8217;t</b> actually win.  Every argument you&#8217;ve presented here leads me to believe that you&#8217;re convinced of the sheer conspiratorial impossibility of Herbie Hancock having won the award, so you should really do something about it.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t take the Grammy back from him, maybe you can.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Molanphy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Molanphy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 11:19:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;@&lt;a href=&quot;#c4154606&quot;&gt;loudersoft&lt;/a&gt;: &lt;i&gt;It doesn&#039;t seem that Herbie Hancock is really the subject anymore, it&#039;s that someone you wanted to win did not and you&#039;re upset.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Close: the one album that should not, by any objective measure, have won, did win, and I am upset.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And if you think the sole mission of the Grammys is to do something as retrograde as &quot;preserve the heritage of music,&quot; then there&#039;s no argument I can make to you that will convince you. I mean, on that score, you win: &quot;heritage&quot; = Herbie Hancock FTW. Let&#039;s just seal the whole thing up in a coffin, while we&#039;re at it.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c4154606">loudersoft</a>: <i>It doesn&#8217;t seem that Herbie Hancock is really the subject anymore, it&#8217;s that someone you wanted to win did not and you&#8217;re upset.</i></p>
<p>Close: the one album that should not, by any objective measure, have won, did win, and I am upset.</p>
<p>And if you think the sole mission of the Grammys is to do something as retrograde as &#8220;preserve the heritage of music,&#8221; then there&#8217;s no argument I can make to you that will convince you. I mean, on that score, you win: &#8220;heritage&#8221; = Herbie Hancock FTW. Let&#8217;s just seal the whole thing up in a coffin, while we&#8217;re at it.</p>
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		<title>By: rad_matter</title>
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		<dc:creator>rad_matter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 10:47:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;@&lt;a href=&quot;#c4140993&quot;&gt;tigerpop&lt;/a&gt;: He also sucker-punched a lot of artists before he put the gasoline down.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c4140993">tigerpop</a>: He also sucker-punched a lot of artists before he put the gasoline down.</p>
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		<title>By: loudersoft</title>
		<link>http://idolator.com/354794/the-grammys-album-of-the-year-upset-who-should-have-won/comment-page-1#comment-454622</link>
		<dc:creator>loudersoft</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 10:19:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;P&gt;@&lt;A href=&quot;http://idolator.com/354794/the-grammys-album-of-the-year-upset-who-should-have-won#c4153822&quot;&gt;DHMBIB&lt;/A&gt;: That&#039;s an interesting conspiracy theory about giving Kanye and Amy the smackdown. If true, it wouldn&#039;t be the first time. Didn&#039;t Paul Simon win for the same album two years in a row back in the &#039;80s?&lt;/P&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="http://idolator.com/354794/the-grammys-album-of-the-year-upset-who-should-have-won#c4153822">DHMBIB</a>: That&#8217;s an interesting conspiracy theory about giving Kanye and Amy the smackdown. If true, it wouldn&#8217;t be the first time. Didn&#8217;t Paul Simon win for the same album two years in a row back in the &#8217;80s?</p>
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		<title>By: loudersoft</title>
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		<dc:creator>loudersoft</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 10:14:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;P&gt;@&lt;A href=&quot;http://idolator.com/354794/the-grammys-album-of-the-year-upset-who-should-have-won#c4153922&quot;&gt;Chris Molanphy&lt;/A&gt;: You&#039;re certainly entitled to your opinion about Herbie Hancock&#039;s music, his abilities, his legacy of contributions to popular music and his relevance in popular culture, however misguided it may be.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;It doesn&#039;t seem that Herbie Hancock is really the subject anymore, it&#039;s that someone you wanted to win did not and you&#039;re upset.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;If your real contention with this award is that the Grammies should be awards for trends in popular culture, that&#039;s a different argument than Mr. Hancock&#039;s relevance to music in 2008. There&#039;s obviously plenty more people, including voting members of the Recording Academy, who disagree with you.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;I&#039;m sure I don&#039;t need to remind you that the Recording Academy&#039;s purpose is not simply to encourage and reward up-and-coming artists, it is to preserve the heritage of music, a heritage to which Herbie Hancock definitely belongs.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;I&#039;m not going to ask you to like him, his album, or even to respect the work he&#039;s done. It&#039;s clear that you won&#039;t. He still won this award.&lt;/P&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="http://idolator.com/354794/the-grammys-album-of-the-year-upset-who-should-have-won#c4153922">Chris Molanphy</a>: You&#8217;re certainly entitled to your opinion about Herbie Hancock&#8217;s music, his abilities, his legacy of contributions to popular music and his relevance in popular culture, however misguided it may be.</p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t seem that Herbie Hancock is really the subject anymore, it&#8217;s that someone you wanted to win did not and you&#8217;re upset.</p>
<p>If your real contention with this award is that the Grammies should be awards for trends in popular culture, that&#8217;s a different argument than Mr. Hancock&#8217;s relevance to music in 2008. There&#8217;s obviously plenty more people, including voting members of the Recording Academy, who disagree with you.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure I don&#8217;t need to remind you that the Recording Academy&#8217;s purpose is not simply to encourage and reward up-and-coming artists, it is to preserve the heritage of music, a heritage to which Herbie Hancock definitely belongs.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not going to ask you to like him, his album, or even to respect the work he&#8217;s done. It&#8217;s clear that you won&#8217;t. He still won this award.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Molanphy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Molanphy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 09:49:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;@&lt;a href=&quot;#c4153822&quot;&gt;DHMBIB&lt;/a&gt;: &lt;i&gt;THANK&lt;/i&gt; you!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c4153822">DHMBIB</a>: <i>THANK</i> you!</p>
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