Comments on: The “Raconteurs Model”: Is It Aimed At Preventing Leaks Or Muzzling Music Critics? (Or Both?) http://idolator.com/369168/the-raconteurs-model-is-it-aimed-at-preventing-leaks-or-muzzling-music-critics-or-both Music News, Reviews, and Gossip on Idolator.com Sat, 26 May 2012 16:47:20 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Jan74 http://idolator.com/369168/the-raconteurs-model-is-it-aimed-at-preventing-leaks-or-muzzling-music-critics-or-both/comment-page-1#comment-499942 Jan74 Thu, 20 Mar 2008 10:14:06 +0000 http://22e12e377658bd5f7f05ea898446d901#comment-499942 <p>@<a href="#c4759940">Chris Molanphy</a>:</p> <p>Those were the days, man.</p> @Chris Molanphy:

Those were the days, man.

]]> By: Chris Molanphy http://idolator.com/369168/the-raconteurs-model-is-it-aimed-at-preventing-leaks-or-muzzling-music-critics-or-both/comment-page-1#comment-499952 Chris Molanphy Tue, 18 Mar 2008 09:38:11 +0000 http://22e12e377658bd5f7f05ea898446d901#comment-499952 <p>@<a href="#c4758375">lukaskaiser</a>: <i>If music criticism still mattered, Daughtry and Groban wouldn't be our country's top selling artists</i></p> <p>Oh, yeah! Remember, back in the '80s, how the Smiths and the Replacements were the big sellers across the country, and Whitney Houston and Bon Jovi languished in obscurity?</p> <p>Ah, critics were so much more <i>important</i> then...</p> @lukaskaiser: If music criticism still mattered, Daughtry and Groban wouldn’t be our country’s top selling artists

Oh, yeah! Remember, back in the ’80s, how the Smiths and the Replacements were the big sellers across the country, and Whitney Houston and Bon Jovi languished in obscurity?

Ah, critics were so much more important then…

]]> By: Charles A. Hohman http://idolator.com/369168/the-raconteurs-model-is-it-aimed-at-preventing-leaks-or-muzzling-music-critics-or-both/comment-page-1#comment-499962 Charles A. Hohman Tue, 18 Mar 2008 08:47:56 +0000 http://22e12e377658bd5f7f05ea898446d901#comment-499962 <P>Let us not forget that Jack White owes his career and fame to the very critics/music journalists he's allegedly trying to kill/inconvenience. Critics were all over "White Blood Cells" nearly a year before the general public/V2 came around to it. (Also responsible: Michel Gondry/Legoanimation). So if anybody knows the benefits to be gained from a long-gestating buzz, rather than the dominant write it up/release it/shelve it/forget it cycle, it would be him.</P> Let us not forget that Jack White owes his career and fame to the very critics/music journalists he’s allegedly trying to kill/inconvenience. Critics were all over “White Blood Cells” nearly a year before the general public/V2 came around to it. (Also responsible: Michel Gondry/Legoanimation). So if anybody knows the benefits to be gained from a long-gestating buzz, rather than the dominant write it up/release it/shelve it/forget it cycle, it would be him.

]]> By: lukaskaiser http://idolator.com/369168/the-raconteurs-model-is-it-aimed-at-preventing-leaks-or-muzzling-music-critics-or-both/comment-page-1#comment-499972 lukaskaiser Tue, 18 Mar 2008 08:31:26 +0000 http://22e12e377658bd5f7f05ea898446d901#comment-499972 <p>i think this move proves that they just don't give a fuck about music critics. It's not on their radar... they have a fanbase, JW has a fanbase and if they get a single out there, they'll sell a few more records to boot. If music criticism still mattered, Daughtry and Groban wouldn't be our country's top selling artists, hands down. Maybe it could go the way of film criticism and take a populist turn to try to remain relevant... yeah, right, like music snobs will ever do that. PS Meg White has huge boobs.</p> i think this move proves that they just don’t give a fuck about music critics. It’s not on their radar… they have a fanbase, JW has a fanbase and if they get a single out there, they’ll sell a few more records to boot. If music criticism still mattered, Daughtry and Groban wouldn’t be our country’s top selling artists, hands down. Maybe it could go the way of film criticism and take a populist turn to try to remain relevant… yeah, right, like music snobs will ever do that. PS Meg White has huge boobs.

]]> By: SneakingThroughTheAlleyWithLalley http://idolator.com/369168/the-raconteurs-model-is-it-aimed-at-preventing-leaks-or-muzzling-music-critics-or-both/comment-page-1#comment-499982 SneakingThroughTheAlleyWithLalley Tue, 18 Mar 2008 08:20:35 +0000 http://22e12e377658bd5f7f05ea898446d901#comment-499982 <P>@<A href="http://idolator.com/369168/the-raconteurs-model-is-it-aimed-at-preventing-leaks-or-muzzling-music-critics-or-both#c4753847">Maria T Sciarrino</A>: Oh yeh. What's not to like there?</P> @Maria T Sciarrino: Oh yeh. What’s not to like there?

]]> By: scott pgwp http://idolator.com/369168/the-raconteurs-model-is-it-aimed-at-preventing-leaks-or-muzzling-music-critics-or-both/comment-page-1#comment-499992 scott pgwp Tue, 18 Mar 2008 08:11:07 +0000 http://22e12e377658bd5f7f05ea898446d901#comment-499992 <P>@<A href="http://idolator.com/369168/the-raconteurs-model-is-it-aimed-at-preventing-leaks-or-muzzling-music-critics-or-both#c4755578">bcapirigi</A>: Perhaps not in a print mag. But surely there's potential for a critical back-and-forth online - whether in comments sections, blog-to-blog, webzine-to-webzine, or any variation therein. Not to say it doesn't already happen - it does - but I think erasing the long lead time would help things along even more.</P> @bcapirigi: Perhaps not in a print mag. But surely there’s potential for a critical back-and-forth online – whether in comments sections, blog-to-blog, webzine-to-webzine, or any variation therein. Not to say it doesn’t already happen – it does – but I think erasing the long lead time would help things along even more.

]]> By: drjimmy11 http://idolator.com/369168/the-raconteurs-model-is-it-aimed-at-preventing-leaks-or-muzzling-music-critics-or-both/comment-page-1#comment-500002 drjimmy11 Tue, 18 Mar 2008 06:53:40 +0000 http://22e12e377658bd5f7f05ea898446d901#comment-500002 <p>Well, it's either this or make interesting music someone might care about on its own merits.</p> Well, it’s either this or make interesting music someone might care about on its own merits.

]]> By: bcapirigi http://idolator.com/369168/the-raconteurs-model-is-it-aimed-at-preventing-leaks-or-muzzling-music-critics-or-both/comment-page-1#comment-500012 bcapirigi Tue, 18 Mar 2008 06:52:39 +0000 http://22e12e377658bd5f7f05ea898446d901#comment-500012 <p>@<a href="#c4754068">scott pgwp</a>: Maybe? Is a review in a print magazine (or online one, or even on a blog) meant to be a conversation, though?</p> @scott pgwp: Maybe? Is a review in a print magazine (or online one, or even on a blog) meant to be a conversation, though?

]]> By: Vince Neilstein http://idolator.com/369168/the-raconteurs-model-is-it-aimed-at-preventing-leaks-or-muzzling-music-critics-or-both/comment-page-1#comment-500022 Vince Neilstein Tue, 18 Mar 2008 06:25:38 +0000 http://22e12e377658bd5f7f05ea898446d901#comment-500022 <p>Please -- the reviewers-getting-music-way-in-advance model is geared towards beefing first week sales. No reason that, for a band who says they aren't concerned about first week sales, an article in a print rag that comes out a month after street date can't continue to drive sales even then. The Guardian article just reads like a holier-than-thou critic upset he's lost his privilege of getting something ahead of everyone else.</p> Please — the reviewers-getting-music-way-in-advance model is geared towards beefing first week sales. No reason that, for a band who says they aren’t concerned about first week sales, an article in a print rag that comes out a month after street date can’t continue to drive sales even then. The Guardian article just reads like a holier-than-thou critic upset he’s lost his privilege of getting something ahead of everyone else.

]]> By: jetsetjunta http://idolator.com/369168/the-raconteurs-model-is-it-aimed-at-preventing-leaks-or-muzzling-music-critics-or-both/comment-page-1#comment-500032 jetsetjunta Tue, 18 Mar 2008 06:10:07 +0000 http://22e12e377658bd5f7f05ea898446d901#comment-500032 <p>Yeah I mean it's a very cool idea to flatten out the conversation between critics and the public, to extend discussions about albums over the course of months rather than days or hours. But try explaining that to time-peg-obsessed assigning editors and ahead-of-time-peg-obsessed bloggers, who I don't think will be swayed to change their worldviews in three shakes of Jack White's tail. But it's nice to think of a world where that kind of looseness would be okay. Jeez, I mean you might even get to review two albums with tons of resonance which just happen to come out on different dates. Fancy that!</p> Yeah I mean it’s a very cool idea to flatten out the conversation between critics and the public, to extend discussions about albums over the course of months rather than days or hours. But try explaining that to time-peg-obsessed assigning editors and ahead-of-time-peg-obsessed bloggers, who I don’t think will be swayed to change their worldviews in three shakes of Jack White’s tail. But it’s nice to think of a world where that kind of looseness would be okay. Jeez, I mean you might even get to review two albums with tons of resonance which just happen to come out on different dates. Fancy that!

]]> By: scott pgwp http://idolator.com/369168/the-raconteurs-model-is-it-aimed-at-preventing-leaks-or-muzzling-music-critics-or-both/comment-page-1#comment-500042 scott pgwp Tue, 18 Mar 2008 05:58:11 +0000 http://22e12e377658bd5f7f05ea898446d901#comment-500042 <P>I don't think the no-lead-time thing will deter music "critics" (including amatuers like me), because that multi-month lead originates in a dependence on print magazines. Guess what: print magazines are dropping like flies, and those that remain are losing readers and credibility. They're also moving online to keep up with the blogs and the mp3/leak culture.</P> <P>If the critics are moving online, where there's no need for a printing press, then why not give them one or two weeks to digest an album? They can do it. Keep score: how many Raconteurs reviews will be up by April 1? Plenty, I bet. Not to mention a video on youtube and all the banner ads you can click.</P> <P>I say it's a good thing for criticism, because now everyone can hear the album at the same time and, perhaps, a better conversation can occur.</P> I don’t think the no-lead-time thing will deter music “critics” (including amatuers like me), because that multi-month lead originates in a dependence on print magazines. Guess what: print magazines are dropping like flies, and those that remain are losing readers and credibility. They’re also moving online to keep up with the blogs and the mp3/leak culture.

If the critics are moving online, where there’s no need for a printing press, then why not give them one or two weeks to digest an album? They can do it. Keep score: how many Raconteurs reviews will be up by April 1? Plenty, I bet. Not to mention a video on youtube and all the banner ads you can click.

I say it’s a good thing for criticism, because now everyone can hear the album at the same time and, perhaps, a better conversation can occur.

]]> By: MTS http://idolator.com/369168/the-raconteurs-model-is-it-aimed-at-preventing-leaks-or-muzzling-music-critics-or-both/comment-page-1#comment-500052 MTS Tue, 18 Mar 2008 05:51:19 +0000 http://22e12e377658bd5f7f05ea898446d901#comment-500052 <p>@<a href="#c4753419">SneakingThroughTheAlleyWithLalley</a>: Ew, really?</p> @SneakingThroughTheAlleyWithLalley: Ew, really?

]]> By: PrinceHal http://idolator.com/369168/the-raconteurs-model-is-it-aimed-at-preventing-leaks-or-muzzling-music-critics-or-both/comment-page-1#comment-500062 PrinceHal Tue, 18 Mar 2008 05:48:23 +0000 http://22e12e377658bd5f7f05ea898446d901#comment-500062 <p>@<a href="#c4753547">Lucas Jensen</a>: I agree, I think very often people's opinions are swayed before they hear the music by a prevailing critical sentiment. Also I think there is something to be said for re-evaluating the album some time after the first listen. Not to dredge up the corpse of the sacred music writing cow (gonna do it anyway), but take Lester Bangs' revisiting of Exile on Main Street. He initially was lukewarm on the album and then gave a really interesting examination of it a few months later, finding his opinion had changed completely.</p> @Lucas Jensen: I agree, I think very often people’s opinions are swayed before they hear the music by a prevailing critical sentiment. Also I think there is something to be said for re-evaluating the album some time after the first listen. Not to dredge up the corpse of the sacred music writing cow (gonna do it anyway), but take Lester Bangs’ revisiting of Exile on Main Street. He initially was lukewarm on the album and then gave a really interesting examination of it a few months later, finding his opinion had changed completely.

]]> By: SuperUnison http://idolator.com/369168/the-raconteurs-model-is-it-aimed-at-preventing-leaks-or-muzzling-music-critics-or-both/comment-page-1#comment-500072 SuperUnison Tue, 18 Mar 2008 05:48:17 +0000 http://22e12e377658bd5f7f05ea898446d901#comment-500072 <P>He's maybe hurting print criticism because of lead times etc. However, I almost guarantee that if it drops on tuesday it'll have its 85-93 on Metacritic by Wednesday (Unless there's a backlash to offset the slavish 100s that a few people are bound to pile on.) Maybe Pitchfork will take a week to crank out their review like they did with "In Rainbows," which they can do because they are Pitchfork.</P> <P>However, I honestly think, from a reader's perspective; that having a slow burn of essays, criticism etc. around an album is vastly prefferable to dumping the whole "Record+Review+Number" hype/backlash echo chamber on the release date which is what, I think, this kind of release is trying to prevent. That's probably the thing I miss the most about Stylus, they weren't afraid to sleep on an idea and let it turn into something genuineley thought provoking.</P> <P>Ideally, an album gets written about because someone was moved to write about it instead of just being scheduled to.</P> He’s maybe hurting print criticism because of lead times etc. However, I almost guarantee that if it drops on tuesday it’ll have its 85-93 on Metacritic by Wednesday (Unless there’s a backlash to offset the slavish 100s that a few people are bound to pile on.) Maybe Pitchfork will take a week to crank out their review like they did with “In Rainbows,” which they can do because they are Pitchfork.

However, I honestly think, from a reader’s perspective; that having a slow burn of essays, criticism etc. around an album is vastly prefferable to dumping the whole “Record+Review+Number” hype/backlash echo chamber on the release date which is what, I think, this kind of release is trying to prevent. That’s probably the thing I miss the most about Stylus, they weren’t afraid to sleep on an idea and let it turn into something genuineley thought provoking.

Ideally, an album gets written about because someone was moved to write about it instead of just being scheduled to.

]]> By: Doug Llewelyn, Court Reporter http://idolator.com/369168/the-raconteurs-model-is-it-aimed-at-preventing-leaks-or-muzzling-music-critics-or-both/comment-page-1#comment-500082 Doug Llewelyn, Court Reporter Tue, 18 Mar 2008 05:44:00 +0000 http://22e12e377658bd5f7f05ea898446d901#comment-500082 <p>Just as long as more artists don't start using "The Starr Model" and touring with Sheila E. and Peter Frampton, I'm cool.</p> Just as long as more artists don’t start using “The Starr Model” and touring with Sheila E. and Peter Frampton, I’m cool.

]]> By: Lucas Jensen http://idolator.com/369168/the-raconteurs-model-is-it-aimed-at-preventing-leaks-or-muzzling-music-critics-or-both/comment-page-1#comment-500092 Lucas Jensen Tue, 18 Mar 2008 05:40:20 +0000 http://22e12e377658bd5f7f05ea898446d901#comment-500092 <p>Well, release dates are used as much as an excuse NOT to write about stuff as to write about it. I think the entire release date obsession/pissing contest must be thoroughly dismantled if print is going to survive.</p> Well, release dates are used as much as an excuse NOT to write about stuff as to write about it. I think the entire release date obsession/pissing contest must be thoroughly dismantled if print is going to survive.

]]> By: SneakingThroughTheAlleyWithLalley http://idolator.com/369168/the-raconteurs-model-is-it-aimed-at-preventing-leaks-or-muzzling-music-critics-or-both/comment-page-1#comment-500102 SneakingThroughTheAlleyWithLalley Tue, 18 Mar 2008 05:35:33 +0000 http://22e12e377658bd5f7f05ea898446d901#comment-500102 <P>I'll take two of the one in the vest, please.</P> I’ll take two of the one in the vest, please.

]]> By: dreamsneverend http://idolator.com/369168/the-raconteurs-model-is-it-aimed-at-preventing-leaks-or-muzzling-music-critics-or-both/comment-page-1#comment-500112 dreamsneverend Tue, 18 Mar 2008 05:33:19 +0000 http://22e12e377658bd5f7f05ea898446d901#comment-500112 <p>So music journalism is purely based on writing up crap on stuff they get to hear before a street date?</p> So music journalism is purely based on writing up crap on stuff they get to hear before a street date?

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