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		<title>By: PopIsNotDead</title>
		<link>http://idolator.com/394810/santogold-shakes-the-rock-sellout-hornets-nest/comment-page-1#comment-597782</link>
		<dc:creator>PopIsNotDead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 12:57:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I applaud anyone who can find a way, in this musical climate, to make a living writing music.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I work for a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.burstcollective.com/&quot;&gt;music house&lt;/a&gt;, writing music that is &lt;i&gt;intended&lt;/i&gt; to be used in advertisements, and every time I receive a royalty check in the mail, I feel as if I&#039;m pulling something over on someone.  It&#039;s not that I don&#039;t think my work is deserving of credit, but the little kid in me is saying &quot;I can&#039;t believe someone is paying me to do this!&quot;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What I do is a craft, not an art, and I make a distinction between the music I make and the music someone makes out of a necessity to create a personal piece of art.  Someone who has chosen to write music for themselves and/or for their fans as a life&#039;s calling, and does it well... you&#039;re damn right they deserve to make some money from licensing.  If you are lucky enough to have someone hear your work and find &lt;i&gt;something&lt;/i&gt; they can connect to, whether it be to get through a nasty break-up, or make an Apple commercial memorable, you are doing something right.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In this day and age, it seems, making music is a right, but getting paid for that music is a privilege not afforded to everyone.  Congratulations to anyone who finds a way to make ends meet through their music.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I applaud anyone who can find a way, in this musical climate, to make a living writing music.</p>
<p>I work for a <a href="http://www.burstcollective.com/">music house</a>, writing music that is <i>intended</i> to be used in advertisements, and every time I receive a royalty check in the mail, I feel as if I&#8217;m pulling something over on someone.  It&#8217;s not that I don&#8217;t think my work is deserving of credit, but the little kid in me is saying &#8220;I can&#8217;t believe someone is paying me to do this!&#8221;</p>
<p>What I do is a craft, not an art, and I make a distinction between the music I make and the music someone makes out of a necessity to create a personal piece of art.  Someone who has chosen to write music for themselves and/or for their fans as a life&#8217;s calling, and does it well&#8230; you&#8217;re damn right they deserve to make some money from licensing.  If you are lucky enough to have someone hear your work and find <i>something</i> they can connect to, whether it be to get through a nasty break-up, or make an Apple commercial memorable, you are doing something right.</p>
<p>In this day and age, it seems, making music is a right, but getting paid for that music is a privilege not afforded to everyone.  Congratulations to anyone who finds a way to make ends meet through their music.</p>
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		<title>By: rogerniner</title>
		<link>http://idolator.com/394810/santogold-shakes-the-rock-sellout-hornets-nest/comment-page-1#comment-597672</link>
		<dc:creator>rogerniner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 07:30:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;It&#039;s interesting to hear that selling out is more now about product placement, than just gaining a larger audience, which I am grateful for. And the variety of appropriate product placement to song has balanced out well, due to ad compaines trying so so hard to nail that 18-34 demographic. I think it is fundamentally different for an company to use a song to sell a banking company (&quot;Lust For Life&quot;), or tampons (remember those idiotic &quot;We Were There&quot; ads, playing Hendrix &quot;Star-Spangled Freakout&quot; from Woodstock. ) to a band&#039;s music featured on an add for a music player. Cars? They are now toting how awesome the sound system is, and I&#039;m sure all of you, when car-bound, listen to music while driving, yes? So it&#039;s &quot;appropriate&quot; in the peripheral. But Outback? Still trying to swallow that one. (place cymbal crash here)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s interesting to hear that selling out is more now about product placement, than just gaining a larger audience, which I am grateful for. And the variety of appropriate product placement to song has balanced out well, due to ad compaines trying so so hard to nail that 18-34 demographic. I think it is fundamentally different for an company to use a song to sell a banking company (&#8220;Lust For Life&#8221;), or tampons (remember those idiotic &#8220;We Were There&#8221; ads, playing Hendrix &#8220;Star-Spangled Freakout&#8221; from Woodstock. ) to a band&#8217;s music featured on an add for a music player. Cars? They are now toting how awesome the sound system is, and I&#8217;m sure all of you, when car-bound, listen to music while driving, yes? So it&#8217;s &#8220;appropriate&#8221; in the peripheral. But Outback? Still trying to swallow that one. (place cymbal crash here)</p>
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		<title>By: Lucas Jensen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lucas Jensen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 07:14:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;@&lt;a href=&quot;#c6022551&quot;&gt;whoneedslight&lt;/a&gt;: Although, to be fair, Screamin&#039; Jay Hawkins could sue Tom Waits for his entire career, and I like Tom Waits.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c6022551">whoneedslight</a>: Although, to be fair, Screamin&#8217; Jay Hawkins could sue Tom Waits for his entire career, and I like Tom Waits.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 06:48:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;P&gt;Blast!  I was going to post the video for Reel Big Fish&#039;s &quot;Sell-Out&quot; but Sony BMG has disabled embedding!  Anyways, hop over to the youtube, watch the video and everytime you hear &quot;The record company&#039;s gonna give me lots of money...&quot;, substitue &quot;The ad company..&quot;.&lt;/P&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blast!  I was going to post the video for Reel Big Fish&#8217;s &#8220;Sell-Out&#8221; but Sony BMG has disabled embedding!  Anyways, hop over to the youtube, watch the video and everytime you hear &#8220;The record company&#8217;s gonna give me lots of money&#8230;&#8221;, substitue &#8220;The ad company..&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Molanphy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Molanphy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 04:10:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt; the awful of-the-moment dreck that so many legacy artists put out in the &#039;80s&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I would just like to make the exceedingly marginal, link-related point(s) that:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;a) though it has not aged all that well, Aretha&#039;s &quot;Freeway of Love&quot; is not in the same category of lameness as Stevie&#039;s &quot;Don&#039;t Drive Drunk&quot;; and that&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;b) neither one of them is in the same &lt;i&gt;universe&lt;/i&gt; of awfulness as &quot;Kokomo.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That is all.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i> the awful of-the-moment dreck that so many legacy artists put out in the &#8217;80s</i></p>
<p>I would just like to make the exceedingly marginal, link-related point(s) that:</p>
<p>a) though it has not aged all that well, Aretha&#8217;s &#8220;Freeway of Love&#8221; is not in the same category of lameness as Stevie&#8217;s &#8220;Don&#8217;t Drive Drunk&#8221;; and that</p>
<p>b) neither one of them is in the same <i>universe</i> of awfulness as &#8220;Kokomo.&#8221;</p>
<p>That is all.</p>
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		<title>By: KinetiQ</title>
		<link>http://idolator.com/394810/santogold-shakes-the-rock-sellout-hornets-nest/comment-page-1#comment-597812</link>
		<dc:creator>KinetiQ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 03:56:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Good article, Maura; very thought provoking, which is odd since this topic pops up on Idolator at least quarterly.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I think music&#039;s role in society has changed significantly in the last 15 years (just to put an arbitrary line in the sand). Music just isn&#039;t serving as artistic expression or as a primary form of entertainment anymore; it&#039;s been relegated to being a compliment to other forms of art or entertainment, albeit a vital compliment.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And that&#039;s not the case for everybody or for every musical artist, but as the idea of &quot;listening to music&quot; gets cheapened then the appropriate contexts for it expand immensely.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I may be a &quot;Lincoln/Douglas debates&quot; sort of person in a blipvert world, but if I ever hear Laurie Anderson doing a commercial, then I think I&#039;ll lose all hope.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good article, Maura; very thought provoking, which is odd since this topic pops up on Idolator at least quarterly.</p>
<p>I think music&#8217;s role in society has changed significantly in the last 15 years (just to put an arbitrary line in the sand). Music just isn&#8217;t serving as artistic expression or as a primary form of entertainment anymore; it&#8217;s been relegated to being a compliment to other forms of art or entertainment, albeit a vital compliment.</p>
<p>And that&#8217;s not the case for everybody or for every musical artist, but as the idea of &#8220;listening to music&#8221; gets cheapened then the appropriate contexts for it expand immensely.</p>
<p>I may be a &#8220;Lincoln/Douglas debates&#8221; sort of person in a blipvert world, but if I ever hear Laurie Anderson doing a commercial, then I think I&#8217;ll lose all hope.</p>
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		<title>By: Maura Johnston</title>
		<link>http://idolator.com/394810/santogold-shakes-the-rock-sellout-hornets-nest/comment-page-1#comment-597692</link>
		<dc:creator>Maura Johnston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 03:13:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;@&lt;a href=&quot;#c6022139&quot;&gt;Audif Jackson Winters III&lt;/a&gt;: agreed. intuition razors, however, are the shizz.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c6022139">Audif Jackson Winters III</a>: agreed. intuition razors, however, are the shizz.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 03:10:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;P&gt;@&lt;A href=&quot;http://idolator.com/394810/santogold-shakes-the-rock-sellout-hornets-nest#c6022139&quot;&gt;Audif Jackson Winters III&lt;/A&gt;:&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Or when the company doesn&#039;t bother to license the original and just hires a voice-alike (Tom Waits v. Doritos).&lt;/P&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="http://idolator.com/394810/santogold-shakes-the-rock-sellout-hornets-nest#c6022139">Audif Jackson Winters III</a>:</p>
<p>Or when the company doesn&#8217;t bother to license the original and just hires a voice-alike (Tom Waits v. Doritos).</p>
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		<title>By: Audif Jackson Winters III</title>
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		<dc:creator>Audif Jackson Winters III</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 02:56:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;P&gt;The only time this ever even remotely bothers me is when: 1) the song&#039;s lyrics are modified to fit the promotional aspect of the commercial (i.e. Of Montreal&#039;s Outback ad, or a car ad that chopped up the verses of &quot;Bohemian Like You&quot; by the Dandy Warhols to make it sound like the track was actually about complimenting someone on their taste in automobiles, or 2) when the track itself has anti-consumerism or anti-corporate lyrics and themes (i.e., Jewel&#039;s &quot;Intuition&quot;).&lt;/P&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only time this ever even remotely bothers me is when: 1) the song&#8217;s lyrics are modified to fit the promotional aspect of the commercial (i.e. Of Montreal&#8217;s Outback ad, or a car ad that chopped up the verses of &#8220;Bohemian Like You&#8221; by the Dandy Warhols to make it sound like the track was actually about complimenting someone on their taste in automobiles, or 2) when the track itself has anti-consumerism or anti-corporate lyrics and themes (i.e., Jewel&#8217;s &#8220;Intuition&#8221;).</p>
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		<title>By: Lucas Jensen</title>
		<link>http://idolator.com/394810/santogold-shakes-the-rock-sellout-hornets-nest/comment-page-1#comment-597722</link>
		<dc:creator>Lucas Jensen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 02:55:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I talked to a label owner recently who was signing an artist specifically because he felt they would bring in licensing money.  He cared about sales a little, but ultimately he knew that only a big chunk of change from a commercial would bring in some revenue for the band and put in the black.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And Cortney, I&#039;ve had TV placements pay nearly 40k, which is no small change.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I talked to a label owner recently who was signing an artist specifically because he felt they would bring in licensing money.  He cared about sales a little, but ultimately he knew that only a big chunk of change from a commercial would bring in some revenue for the band and put in the black.</p>
<p>And Cortney, I&#8217;ve had TV placements pay nearly 40k, which is no small change.</p>
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		<title>By: Captain Wrong</title>
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		<dc:creator>Captain Wrong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 02:38:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;@&lt;a href=&quot;#c6011643&quot;&gt;rogerniner&lt;/a&gt;: Nailed it.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And really selling out is giving me a major 90s flashback. Maybe it&#039;s because I don&#039;t watch TV, but I really don&#039;t care anymore if all my favorite bands sell their song for commercials. It just doesn&#039;t change a damn thing fr me these days. Perhaps because as I&#039;ve gotten older and tried my hand in some bands, I know how tough it is to do anything other than lose money as a musician. Or maybe it&#039;s that I&#039;ve grown up and learned to appreciate the music for what it is and the enjoyment it gives me and not some set of ideals and rules I&#039;ve grafted on to the artist.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c6011643">rogerniner</a>: Nailed it.</p>
<p>And really selling out is giving me a major 90s flashback. Maybe it&#8217;s because I don&#8217;t watch TV, but I really don&#8217;t care anymore if all my favorite bands sell their song for commercials. It just doesn&#8217;t change a damn thing fr me these days. Perhaps because as I&#8217;ve gotten older and tried my hand in some bands, I know how tough it is to do anything other than lose money as a musician. Or maybe it&#8217;s that I&#8217;ve grown up and learned to appreciate the music for what it is and the enjoyment it gives me and not some set of ideals and rules I&#8217;ve grafted on to the artist.</p>
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		<title>By: CortneyH</title>
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		<dc:creator>CortneyH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 02:23:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;One piece of information that tends to get lost in the debates about &quot;selling out&quot; is that artists aren&#039;t actually getting paid all that much for these ads and placements. Many indie artists give their songs to ad firms for free in order to get the exposure, and TV placements generally only throw down a few grand -- better than a kick in the face, but no way to make bank.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Obviously, this varies by artist, depends on the brand and campaign, who owns the publishing, and a million other et ceteras.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One piece of information that tends to get lost in the debates about &#8220;selling out&#8221; is that artists aren&#8217;t actually getting paid all that much for these ads and placements. Many indie artists give their songs to ad firms for free in order to get the exposure, and TV placements generally only throw down a few grand &#8212; better than a kick in the face, but no way to make bank.</p>
<p>Obviously, this varies by artist, depends on the brand and campaign, who owns the publishing, and a million other et ceteras.</p>
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		<title>By: spazandmojo</title>
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		<dc:creator>spazandmojo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 02:12:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;i have never been against this as long as the artist is complicit in
the choice of product. hell, i wouldn&#039;t mind hearing diamanda&#039;s cover
of &#039;i put a spell on you&#039; in conjunction with a perfume ad, as long as
she is making some motherfuckin&#039; money. musicians need to make their
money, and unless any of these motherfucking whining critics is &#039;off
the grid&#039;, they can just shut their mouths and go back to their 9 to 5.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i have never been against this as long as the artist is complicit in<br />
the choice of product. hell, i wouldn&#8217;t mind hearing diamanda&#8217;s cover<br />
of &#8216;i put a spell on you&#8217; in conjunction with a perfume ad, as long as<br />
she is making some motherfuckin&#8217; money. musicians need to make their<br />
money, and unless any of these motherfucking whining critics is &#8216;off<br />
the grid&#8217;, they can just shut their mouths and go back to their 9 to 5.</p>
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		<title>By: revmatty</title>
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		<dc:creator>revmatty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 01:58:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;@&lt;a href=&quot;#c6020509&quot;&gt;whoneedslight&lt;/a&gt;: Damn right he did, thanks for reminding me of that.  And in fact he makes the same point I do when he talks about doing movies like Jackass allowing him the financial freedom to put out spoken word albums by his friends.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c6020509">whoneedslight</a>: Damn right he did, thanks for reminding me of that.  And in fact he makes the same point I do when he talks about doing movies like Jackass allowing him the financial freedom to put out spoken word albums by his friends.</p>
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		<title>By: revmatty</title>
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		<dc:creator>revmatty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 01:56:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I&#039;ve never understood the &#039;selling out&#039; complaint.  I mean, sure, if you&#039;re a band that trades on being hardcore vegan and you sell a song to Oscar Meyer I could see that being possibly questionable.  But then you could just take a Chumbawumba informed position (and how often do you get a chance to say that?) and say that the evil meat murdering industry is now funding people who are opposed to it.  It&#039;s post-ironic!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I guess as a wannabe musician I&#039;ve always seen any way an artist can get paid for being an artist is a good thing.  People get up in arms particularly about the private concerts thing and I just think &quot;Um, yea, because without private patronage none of the greats of Classical, Baroque, or Romance music would have been able to create the wonderous works they did.&quot;  I&#039;d much rather see some rich kid pay MIA $100K to play their sweet sixteen party than have them hire Paris Hilton to show up and be &#039;cool&#039;.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In a sense it&#039;s selfish: if an artist can make a living by selling their songs for commercials or movies or playing private parties then they can continue to be a professional musician and keep cranking out music for me to enjoy.  The licensing deals and &#039;selling out&#039; subsidizes that because I sure as hell can&#039;t afford to hire Tanya Donelly to play my anniversary.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve never understood the &#8216;selling out&#8217; complaint.  I mean, sure, if you&#8217;re a band that trades on being hardcore vegan and you sell a song to Oscar Meyer I could see that being possibly questionable.  But then you could just take a Chumbawumba informed position (and how often do you get a chance to say that?) and say that the evil meat murdering industry is now funding people who are opposed to it.  It&#8217;s post-ironic!</p>
<p>I guess as a wannabe musician I&#8217;ve always seen any way an artist can get paid for being an artist is a good thing.  People get up in arms particularly about the private concerts thing and I just think &#8220;Um, yea, because without private patronage none of the greats of Classical, Baroque, or Romance music would have been able to create the wonderous works they did.&#8221;  I&#8217;d much rather see some rich kid pay MIA $100K to play their sweet sixteen party than have them hire Paris Hilton to show up and be &#8216;cool&#8217;.</p>
<p>In a sense it&#8217;s selfish: if an artist can make a living by selling their songs for commercials or movies or playing private parties then they can continue to be a professional musician and keep cranking out music for me to enjoy.  The licensing deals and &#8216;selling out&#8217; subsidizes that because I sure as hell can&#8217;t afford to hire Tanya Donelly to play my anniversary.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 01:46:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;P&gt;Henry Rollins had a pretty fantastic rant on his show about this same topic.&lt;BR&gt;He was very much for artists GETTING PAID.&lt;/P&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Henry Rollins had a pretty fantastic rant on his show about this same topic.<br />He was very much for artists GETTING PAID.</p>
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		<title>By: scott pgwp</title>
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		<dc:creator>scott pgwp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 11:46:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;P&gt;Maura, you really seem to be wrestling with something today! First a post examining the helpfulness of tipping $.25 to touring bands in a landscape of fans who don&#039;t pay for records; now questioning whether licensing is or isn&#039;t a shameful act... I hope your post on the irrelevance of radio is coming soon.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Really, in all seriousness, you&#039;re really painting the picture here. It is really apparent that the landscape is outrageously different from the 80s/90s indie scenes. I remember when it was a big deal that Sonic Youth signed to DGC... now it&#039;s kinda funny, but not unthinkable, that they&#039;re partnering with Starbucks.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;I had a little back-and-forth with Mike from Clap Clap a couple weeks ago and he said something to the effect that it&#039;s unfortunate that most critics/bloggers come from a 90s hardcore background. That&#039;s where this whole sellout conversation is coming from.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Again, it&#039;s all tied up in a really simple equation: artists need to find the people who will pay them. That&#039;s why they&#039;ve turned away from record labels and radio because labels and radio are proving ineffectual. Coffeeshops sell records so artists go to coffeeshops; ad companies pay so artists license their music. Fans pay for concert tickets, so artists tour. But most fans don&#039;t pay for recorded music, so they lose their justification for whining about a band&#039;s loyalty to its fanbase.&lt;/P&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maura, you really seem to be wrestling with something today! First a post examining the helpfulness of tipping $.25 to touring bands in a landscape of fans who don&#8217;t pay for records; now questioning whether licensing is or isn&#8217;t a shameful act&#8230; I hope your post on the irrelevance of radio is coming soon.</p>
<p>Really, in all seriousness, you&#8217;re really painting the picture here. It is really apparent that the landscape is outrageously different from the 80s/90s indie scenes. I remember when it was a big deal that Sonic Youth signed to DGC&#8230; now it&#8217;s kinda funny, but not unthinkable, that they&#8217;re partnering with Starbucks.</p>
<p>I had a little back-and-forth with Mike from Clap Clap a couple weeks ago and he said something to the effect that it&#8217;s unfortunate that most critics/bloggers come from a 90s hardcore background. That&#8217;s where this whole sellout conversation is coming from.</p>
<p>Again, it&#8217;s all tied up in a really simple equation: artists need to find the people who will pay them. That&#8217;s why they&#8217;ve turned away from record labels and radio because labels and radio are proving ineffectual. Coffeeshops sell records so artists go to coffeeshops; ad companies pay so artists license their music. Fans pay for concert tickets, so artists tour. But most fans don&#8217;t pay for recorded music, so they lose their justification for whining about a band&#8217;s loyalty to its fanbase.</p>
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		<title>By: Lax Danja House</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lax Danja House</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 11:46:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I&#039;ve been racking my brain for a while now and I honestly can&#039;t think of a single song I associate with a brand or product. The only examples that come to mind are for TV shows, but how often do you hear established songs used there? Even though I&#039;m sure there are plenty of people more sensitive to music in adverts than I am, I can only imagine it&#039;s a fleeting thing. If the music doesn&#039;t outlive the advert, it&#039;s not the advert&#039;s fault.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been racking my brain for a while now and I honestly can&#8217;t think of a single song I associate with a brand or product. The only examples that come to mind are for TV shows, but how often do you hear established songs used there? Even though I&#8217;m sure there are plenty of people more sensitive to music in adverts than I am, I can only imagine it&#8217;s a fleeting thing. If the music doesn&#8217;t outlive the advert, it&#8217;s not the advert&#8217;s fault.</p>
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		<title>By: How do I say this ... THROWDINI!</title>
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		<dc:creator>How do I say this ... THROWDINI!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 11:38:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;P&gt;I don&#039;t really believe in the concept of &quot;selling out&quot; anymore. I used to, and I probably would&#039;ve freaked out if a Nirvana song was used to try and sell me a Toyota (Courtney, don&#039;t even think about it). But these days, I just think its a good way for the band to make money, especially since most people are stealing (yes, kids its stealing) not buying music.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;These days I tend to think of selling out as a baby-boomer concept tied to hearing the music of their youth used in commercials decades later. There you might have an argument that an artist is selling out their old ideals for quick cash. But is a band really turning its back on its old ideals by selling a two-year old song? Doubtful, but maybe I&#039;m just old and &quot;sold out&quot; myself, so I don&#039;t judge anyone else for doing the same thing.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;All of that said, that &quot;Let&#039;s Go Outback Tonight&quot; was total crap I think made Of Montreal look stupid. Not for selling out, but for contributing to a horrible jingle.&lt;/P&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t really believe in the concept of &#8220;selling out&#8221; anymore. I used to, and I probably would&#8217;ve freaked out if a Nirvana song was used to try and sell me a Toyota (Courtney, don&#8217;t even think about it). But these days, I just think its a good way for the band to make money, especially since most people are stealing (yes, kids its stealing) not buying music.</p>
<p>These days I tend to think of selling out as a baby-boomer concept tied to hearing the music of their youth used in commercials decades later. There you might have an argument that an artist is selling out their old ideals for quick cash. But is a band really turning its back on its old ideals by selling a two-year old song? Doubtful, but maybe I&#8217;m just old and &#8220;sold out&#8221; myself, so I don&#8217;t judge anyone else for doing the same thing.</p>
<p>All of that said, that &#8220;Let&#8217;s Go Outback Tonight&#8221; was total crap I think made Of Montreal look stupid. Not for selling out, but for contributing to a horrible jingle.</p>
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		<title>By: dreamsneverend</title>
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		<dc:creator>dreamsneverend</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 11:30:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Waaaah musicians can be suck pricks sometimes. I think it would be an honor for someone to take your material and use it to sell a product. Now, if the item being sold was COMPLETELY against what you are about (or at least your music) it might suck. These people complaining want nothing more than to be commercial matyrs who suffer for their art... zzzzzzzzzzzzz&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Anyway.. I like Santogold, great mix of stuff on that album, I hope to see more videos forthcoming.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Waaaah musicians can be suck pricks sometimes. I think it would be an honor for someone to take your material and use it to sell a product. Now, if the item being sold was COMPLETELY against what you are about (or at least your music) it might suck. These people complaining want nothing more than to be commercial matyrs who suffer for their art&#8230; zzzzzzzzzzzzz</p>
<p>Anyway.. I like Santogold, great mix of stuff on that album, I hope to see more videos forthcoming.</p>
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