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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 08:49:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;great column. I admit when the Kid Rock track was held, I dismissed it as a fluke, since he hadn&#039;t released any of his music via iTunes. The Estelle thing is the kicker.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I bought &quot;American Boy&quot; actually at the Zune Store (yes, I have a Zune, and yes, I love it). It still shows in the store, but as &quot;in collection&quot;, so i&#039;m not sure if it&#039;s available there (though the remixes definitely are). It&#039;s a stupid marketing concept (the retract of singles) because,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;1) I did buy the single then bought the physical album..&lt;br&gt;
2) others won&#039;t really give a hoot to buy in unless they&#039;re a rabid  Estelle fan, otherwise they&#039;ll forget the song in 2 weeks when the next pop thing is out.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It&#039;s a cheat to force up album sales despite any quality (not saying Estelle&#039;s album is unworthy), since at least in the 80s albums &quot;earned&quot; their sales by having 3-5 singles on them.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Peace.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>great column. I admit when the Kid Rock track was held, I dismissed it as a fluke, since he hadn&#8217;t released any of his music via iTunes. The Estelle thing is the kicker.</p>
<p>I bought &#8220;American Boy&#8221; actually at the Zune Store (yes, I have a Zune, and yes, I love it). It still shows in the store, but as &#8220;in collection&#8221;, so i&#8217;m not sure if it&#8217;s available there (though the remixes definitely are). It&#8217;s a stupid marketing concept (the retract of singles) because,</p>
<p>1) I did buy the single then bought the physical album..<br />
2) others won&#8217;t really give a hoot to buy in unless they&#8217;re a rabid  Estelle fan, otherwise they&#8217;ll forget the song in 2 weeks when the next pop thing is out.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a cheat to force up album sales despite any quality (not saying Estelle&#8217;s album is unworthy), since at least in the 80s albums &#8220;earned&#8221; their sales by having 3-5 singles on them.</p>
<p>Peace.</p>
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		<title>By: Captain Wrong</title>
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		<dc:creator>Captain Wrong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 03:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I really like this column. Thanks.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: baconfat</title>
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		<dc:creator>baconfat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 03:16:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Another factor to consider during the rise of the alternative 90s: there was no MAP in place until 1995, meaning it wasn&#039;t too difficult to pick up hot new releases at big box retailers for anywhere from $8-11 per disc. Lots of people did this, figuring that no matter if the rest of the disc sucked, they hadn&#039;t spent too much coin on it. These people (and their younger siblings) got into the habit so much that by the time of the Big-Pop and One-Hit Wonder phases, it didn&#039;t seem like that big of a deal that no singles were available and the prices had crept up to $13-19/disc. Only the die-hard R&amp;B and Country listening contingents seemed to raise too much of a stink about it at the time as I recall.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another factor to consider during the rise of the alternative 90s: there was no MAP in place until 1995, meaning it wasn&#8217;t too difficult to pick up hot new releases at big box retailers for anywhere from $8-11 per disc. Lots of people did this, figuring that no matter if the rest of the disc sucked, they hadn&#8217;t spent too much coin on it. These people (and their younger siblings) got into the habit so much that by the time of the Big-Pop and One-Hit Wonder phases, it didn&#8217;t seem like that big of a deal that no singles were available and the prices had crept up to $13-19/disc. Only the die-hard R&amp;B and Country listening contingents seemed to raise too much of a stink about it at the time as I recall.</p>
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		<title>By: Dick Laurent is dead.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dick Laurent is dead.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 01:07:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Good article- I have nothing further to add that hasn&#039;t already been addressed in the comments.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good article- I have nothing further to add that hasn&#8217;t already been addressed in the comments.</p>
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		<title>By: D.R. Mosby</title>
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		<dc:creator>D.R. Mosby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 11:36:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;P&gt;I think that one factor that differs significantly from the situation in the 90&#039;s (as laid out in the Chris&#039; timeline) is that the consumer has so much more access to critical opinion on albums now than was the case back then.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;In those days (and before), if you heard a song on the radio that you liked, you might want to know whether the whole album was just as good (= worth buying) - especially if the song was not released as a single. The primary sources of critical opinion back then were largely newspapers and magazines, and even with these you might only get the opinion of a handful of reviewers. The smaller the pool of reviews, the less information you had go by, possibly leading to some regrettable purchases (&lt;I&gt;First Band on the Moon&lt;/I&gt;, anyone?)&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;So, with such little information available to the consumer, record companies were more capable of sneaking a one-hit wonder past an ill-informed public. Now, of course, mp3 blogs and sites like Metacritic allow us to sample the opinion of a lot reviewers at once, and we can get a better sense of whether an entire album is worth purchasing.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Which brings us to the case of Kid Rock - I&#039;d say he&#039;s fairly critic-proof, so for him, it may be a smart strategy to put the consumer in an all-or-nothing position with regards to buying his album. The person who digs &quot;All Summer Long&quot; probably isn&#039;t going to wonder what the Village Voice has to say about &lt;I&gt;Rock N Roll Jesus&lt;/I&gt;.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;For emerging artists (like Estelle), however, perhaps this approach isn&#039;t such a bright idea, since a consumer might do more research to find out whether the whole album is worth buying. If the collective critical opinion is that the single is the only bright spot on the album, then the consumer might just skip it and spend his or her entertainment dollar elsewhere.&lt;/P&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that one factor that differs significantly from the situation in the 90&#8217;s (as laid out in the Chris&#8217; timeline) is that the consumer has so much more access to critical opinion on albums now than was the case back then.</p>
<p>In those days (and before), if you heard a song on the radio that you liked, you might want to know whether the whole album was just as good (= worth buying) &#8211; especially if the song was not released as a single. The primary sources of critical opinion back then were largely newspapers and magazines, and even with these you might only get the opinion of a handful of reviewers. The smaller the pool of reviews, the less information you had go by, possibly leading to some regrettable purchases (<i>First Band on the Moon</i>, anyone?)</p>
<p>So, with such little information available to the consumer, record companies were more capable of sneaking a one-hit wonder past an ill-informed public. Now, of course, mp3 blogs and sites like Metacritic allow us to sample the opinion of a lot reviewers at once, and we can get a better sense of whether an entire album is worth purchasing.</p>
<p>Which brings us to the case of Kid Rock &#8211; I&#8217;d say he&#8217;s fairly critic-proof, so for him, it may be a smart strategy to put the consumer in an all-or-nothing position with regards to buying his album. The person who digs &#8220;All Summer Long&#8221; probably isn&#8217;t going to wonder what the Village Voice has to say about <i>Rock N Roll Jesus</i>.</p>
<p>For emerging artists (like Estelle), however, perhaps this approach isn&#8217;t such a bright idea, since a consumer might do more research to find out whether the whole album is worth buying. If the collective critical opinion is that the single is the only bright spot on the album, then the consumer might just skip it and spend his or her entertainment dollar elsewhere.</p>
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		<title>By: How do I say this ... THROWDINI!</title>
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		<dc:creator>How do I say this ... THROWDINI!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 11:07:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;P&gt;Where does the &quot;Now that&#039;s what I call music&quot; series fit into this recent history of the single? Isn&#039;t the series just a way of selling a whole bunch of singles on one cd (and promoting some lesser-known artists in the process)?&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Of course, maybe the series started this decade, in which case, nevermind.&lt;/P&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where does the &#8220;Now that&#8217;s what I call music&#8221; series fit into this recent history of the single? Isn&#8217;t the series just a way of selling a whole bunch of singles on one cd (and promoting some lesser-known artists in the process)?</p>
<p>Of course, maybe the series started this decade, in which case, nevermind.</p>
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		<title>By: loudersoft</title>
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		<dc:creator>loudersoft</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 10:01:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;@&lt;a href=&quot;#c7478854&quot;&gt;Chris Molanphy&lt;/a&gt;: I&#039;m bookmarking this post so I can refer to it through the progression of artists that get milked out of the major label system.  It&#039;s stunningly accurate in its assessment of the time line and the procedural backroom dealings by those running the show.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The labels are (as always) just playing games as they wait out the birth of some new technological revolution, one in which they control the means and method by which music is distributed and, ultimately, played by consumers.  The question I have is whether or not the game they&#039;re playing is one in which they are maximizing their profits based on consumer trending or, conversely, attempting to manipulate consumer trending based on the projects (or products, to them) that they have the most financial control over.  That is to say, projects where the artist has been paid so little and relinquished enough front-end control over the finished recordings that labels can afford to sink much more money into the marketing &amp; promotion..&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Anyways, now I&#039;m going to go read Ned&#039;s post on the matter.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c7478854">Chris Molanphy</a>: I&#8217;m bookmarking this post so I can refer to it through the progression of artists that get milked out of the major label system.  It&#8217;s stunningly accurate in its assessment of the time line and the procedural backroom dealings by those running the show.</p>
<p>The labels are (as always) just playing games as they wait out the birth of some new technological revolution, one in which they control the means and method by which music is distributed and, ultimately, played by consumers.  The question I have is whether or not the game they&#8217;re playing is one in which they are maximizing their profits based on consumer trending or, conversely, attempting to manipulate consumer trending based on the projects (or products, to them) that they have the most financial control over.  That is to say, projects where the artist has been paid so little and relinquished enough front-end control over the finished recordings that labels can afford to sink much more money into the marketing &amp; promotion..</p>
<p>Anyways, now I&#8217;m going to go read Ned&#8217;s post on the matter.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Molanphy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Molanphy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 05:28:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;@&lt;a href=&quot;#c7477830&quot;&gt;Maura Johnston&lt;/a&gt;:&lt;br&gt;
@&lt;a href=&quot;#c7478529&quot;&gt;therighthandofnixon&lt;/a&gt;:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I&#039;d actually throw it into the large pool of things the labels are doing to boost Amazon at iTunes&#039; expense, from no DRM (18 months after Steve Jobs&#039;s let&#039;s-drop-the-DRM letter) to cheaper pricing. I bet Atlantic keeps the Estelle album on there for a while, as an experiment at best, a fuck-you to Jobs at worst.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c7477830">Maura Johnston</a>:<br />
@<a href="#c7478529">therighthandofnixon</a>:</p>
<p>I&#8217;d actually throw it into the large pool of things the labels are doing to boost Amazon at iTunes&#8217; expense, from no DRM (18 months after Steve Jobs&#8217;s let&#8217;s-drop-the-DRM letter) to cheaper pricing. I bet Atlantic keeps the Estelle album on there for a while, as an experiment at best, a fuck-you to Jobs at worst.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 05:16:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;@&lt;a href=&quot;#c7477830&quot;&gt;Maura Johnston&lt;/a&gt;: Yeah, I noticed that, too.  It&#039;s possible that they just haven&#039;t gotten around to deleting in on Amazon yet, or that they consider Amazon&#039;s download service marginal and don&#039;t think it will affect CD sales much.  Whatever the case, I&#039;m at least glad that this affair might lead a few more iTunes users to DRM-free alternatives.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c7477830">Maura Johnston</a>: Yeah, I noticed that, too.  It&#8217;s possible that they just haven&#8217;t gotten around to deleting in on Amazon yet, or that they consider Amazon&#8217;s download service marginal and don&#8217;t think it will affect CD sales much.  Whatever the case, I&#8217;m at least glad that this affair might lead a few more iTunes users to DRM-free alternatives.</p>
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		<title>By: the rich girls are weeping</title>
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		<dc:creator>the rich girls are weeping</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 05:07:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;@&lt;a href=&quot;#c7478235&quot;&gt;the rich girls are weeping&lt;/a&gt;: and Afghanistan?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c7478235">the rich girls are weeping</a>: and Afghanistan?</p>
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