Comments on: Hurricanes And OPEC To Bands: Don’t Tour http://idolator.com/5054540/hurricanes-and-opec-to-bands-dont-tour Music News, Reviews, and Gossip on Idolator.com Sat, 26 May 2012 22:32:23 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Janice Curleyhair http://idolator.com/5054540/hurricanes-and-opec-to-bands-dont-tour/comment-page-1#comment-1245561 Janice Curleyhair Tue, 29 Jun 2010 08:59:29 +0000 http://c7f1be5d55fea2156fa47ab79029c666#comment-1245561 Great quality lots of variety http://www.pornhub4u.com Great quality lots of variety http://www.pornhub4u.com

]]> By: science vs romance http://idolator.com/5054540/hurricanes-and-opec-to-bands-dont-tour/comment-page-1#comment-718082 science vs romance Thu, 25 Sep 2008 10:09:16 +0000 http://c7f1be5d55fea2156fa47ab79029c666#comment-718082 <p>Seeing the numbers like this is great, if not arresting. Talking to friends in a fairly successful, biggish label indie band, I was shocked to hear what a financial loss touring can be and how few CDs are really sold at shows.</p> Seeing the numbers like this is great, if not arresting. Talking to friends in a fairly successful, biggish label indie band, I was shocked to hear what a financial loss touring can be and how few CDs are really sold at shows.

]]> By: Anonymous http://idolator.com/5054540/hurricanes-and-opec-to-bands-dont-tour/comment-page-1#comment-718092 Anonymous Thu, 25 Sep 2008 09:54:02 +0000 http://c7f1be5d55fea2156fa47ab79029c666#comment-718092 <p>Lucas,<br> That article is killer and its the dang truth. You should get the Flagpole to print it.</p> <p>You mentioned that our spreadsheet shows a lack of food costs. When I was making it I thought that some people might see that and wonder if we fasted on tour or something. Nope. Before we leave town we buy about $150 worth of food at the Trader Joes in ATL. If we have lucrative days on tour, then the band will buy everyone lunch or dinner. Otherwise, we either eat from our groceries or spend our personal money to buy food. Maybe I'll reconfigure the spreadsheet to accurately represent our food expenses. Nah, fuck it.</p> <p>Today I borrowed Page's car and she asked me to put some gas in it and I couldn't because THERE AIN'T NONE. So, I left her a ten dollar bill, and as I was riding away on my bike I realized that $10 ain't shit no mo.</p> <p>You feel me?</p> <p>Claire M. Campbell <br> www.hopeforagoldensummer.com</p> Lucas,
That article is killer and its the dang truth. You should get the Flagpole to print it.

You mentioned that our spreadsheet shows a lack of food costs. When I was making it I thought that some people might see that and wonder if we fasted on tour or something. Nope. Before we leave town we buy about $150 worth of food at the Trader Joes in ATL. If we have lucrative days on tour, then the band will buy everyone lunch or dinner. Otherwise, we either eat from our groceries or spend our personal money to buy food. Maybe I’ll reconfigure the spreadsheet to accurately represent our food expenses. Nah, fuck it.

Today I borrowed Page’s car and she asked me to put some gas in it and I couldn’t because THERE AIN’T NONE. So, I left her a ten dollar bill, and as I was riding away on my bike I realized that $10 ain’t shit no mo.

You feel me?

Claire M. Campbell
http://www.hopeforagoldensummer.com

]]> By: Lucas Jensen http://idolator.com/5054540/hurricanes-and-opec-to-bands-dont-tour/comment-page-1#comment-718102 Lucas Jensen Thu, 25 Sep 2008 09:35:52 +0000 http://c7f1be5d55fea2156fa47ab79029c666#comment-718102 <p>@<a href="#c7975094">mike a</a>: Thanks, man! That is the highest compliment I have ever been paid!</p> <p>I will continue to examine this if I get more data. Better to be empirical about it all.</p> @mike a: Thanks, man! That is the highest compliment I have ever been paid!

I will continue to examine this if I get more data. Better to be empirical about it all.

]]> By: Lucas Jensen http://idolator.com/5054540/hurricanes-and-opec-to-bands-dont-tour/comment-page-1#comment-718112 Lucas Jensen Thu, 25 Sep 2008 09:34:52 +0000 http://c7f1be5d55fea2156fa47ab79029c666#comment-718112 <p>@<a href="#c7973872">Mike Barthel</a>: I was kinda joking around with the Brooklyn dig.</p> @Mike Barthel: I was kinda joking around with the Brooklyn dig.

]]> By: mike a http://idolator.com/5054540/hurricanes-and-opec-to-bands-dont-tour/comment-page-1#comment-718122 mike a Thu, 25 Sep 2008 09:21:48 +0000 http://c7f1be5d55fea2156fa47ab79029c666#comment-718122 <P>Fortunately St. Louis will not feel the pinch, since bands rarely if ever play here anyway.</P> <P>But otherwise? A sobering look at an ailing industry. A 2008 version of "Some Of Your Friends Are Already This Fucked."</P> Fortunately St. Louis will not feel the pinch, since bands rarely if ever play here anyway.

But otherwise? A sobering look at an ailing industry. A 2008 version of “Some Of Your Friends Are Already This Fucked.”

]]> By: Mike Barthel http://idolator.com/5054540/hurricanes-and-opec-to-bands-dont-tour/comment-page-1#comment-718132 Mike Barthel Thu, 25 Sep 2008 08:41:49 +0000 http://c7f1be5d55fea2156fa47ab79029c666#comment-718132 <P>This is a great post, Lucas, but for the record, I think an equal proportion of bands in Athens and Brooklyn become hype bands. There are a LOT of bands in Brooklyn. And, coming from the label side, I'm not sure if a newly-signed band would be able to pry too much tour support out of their label.</P> <P>Point being that it sucks all over.</P> This is a great post, Lucas, but for the record, I think an equal proportion of bands in Athens and Brooklyn become hype bands. There are a LOT of bands in Brooklyn. And, coming from the label side, I’m not sure if a newly-signed band would be able to pry too much tour support out of their label.

Point being that it sucks all over.

]]> By: Lucas Jensen http://idolator.com/5054540/hurricanes-and-opec-to-bands-dont-tour/comment-page-1#comment-718142 Lucas Jensen Thu, 25 Sep 2008 07:31:32 +0000 http://c7f1be5d55fea2156fa47ab79029c666#comment-718142 <p>@<a href="#c7970828">silkyjumbo</a>: I think this is a good point about the recent rise of festivals. The one-stop shopping aspect of it all probably has a lot to do with it. It's a lot cheaper than driving to multiple big shows at crazy prices.</p> @silkyjumbo: I think this is a good point about the recent rise of festivals. The one-stop shopping aspect of it all probably has a lot to do with it. It’s a lot cheaper than driving to multiple big shows at crazy prices.

]]> By: Lucas Jensen http://idolator.com/5054540/hurricanes-and-opec-to-bands-dont-tour/comment-page-1#comment-718152 Lucas Jensen Thu, 25 Sep 2008 07:29:57 +0000 http://c7f1be5d55fea2156fa47ab79029c666#comment-718152 <p>@<a href="#c7969998">Lucas Jensen</a>: I meant "they" not "you" in the first sentence.</p> @Lucas Jensen: I meant “they” not “you” in the first sentence.

]]> By: silkyjumbo http://idolator.com/5054540/hurricanes-and-opec-to-bands-dont-tour/comment-page-1#comment-718162 silkyjumbo Thu, 25 Sep 2008 07:14:22 +0000 http://c7f1be5d55fea2156fa47ab79029c666#comment-718162 <p>well, this explains why show prices are altering my Rocktober schedule.</p> <p>and since i can't find gas in atlanta either, i'm going to the austin city limits music festival. one stop (show) shopping!</p> well, this explains why show prices are altering my Rocktober schedule.

and since i can’t find gas in atlanta either, i’m going to the austin city limits music festival. one stop (show) shopping!

]]> By: Lucas Jensen http://idolator.com/5054540/hurricanes-and-opec-to-bands-dont-tour/comment-page-1#comment-718172 Lucas Jensen Thu, 25 Sep 2008 06:52:36 +0000 http://c7f1be5d55fea2156fa47ab79029c666#comment-718172 <p>@<a href="#c7968704">fogsnob</a>: Well, maybe you are in it for the wrong reasons, but it's not cheap to do things with quality and export your art to an audience. Even lo-fi bands have to buy equipment, vans, etc. Those $150-a-nighters are maybe just trying to sustain their art a little more. The Greeks only let land-owners vote because those were the only people in Greek society with the free time to pursue art, philosophy, politics...things of beauty to them. It's harder to make art when you have to have a low-paying job that's flexible enough to let you hit the road OR an inflexible high-paying gig that allows them to hit the studio but not the road. It's an expensive hobby, and it's a crappy-paying job for 95% of the bands out there.</p> @fogsnob: Well, maybe you are in it for the wrong reasons, but it’s not cheap to do things with quality and export your art to an audience. Even lo-fi bands have to buy equipment, vans, etc. Those $150-a-nighters are maybe just trying to sustain their art a little more. The Greeks only let land-owners vote because those were the only people in Greek society with the free time to pursue art, philosophy, politics…things of beauty to them. It’s harder to make art when you have to have a low-paying job that’s flexible enough to let you hit the road OR an inflexible high-paying gig that allows them to hit the studio but not the road. It’s an expensive hobby, and it’s a crappy-paying job for 95% of the bands out there.

]]> By: fogsnob http://idolator.com/5054540/hurricanes-and-opec-to-bands-dont-tour/comment-page-1#comment-718182 fogsnob Thu, 25 Sep 2008 06:18:34 +0000 http://c7f1be5d55fea2156fa47ab79029c666#comment-718182 <p>i believe the "touring = money" applies very well to big and developed bands who have probably had a lot of time and money invested both personally and via record labels.</p> <p>not to be crass, but if you're a band playing music for $150 a night, you better be doing it for the love of playing in front of people and not for a career. in fact, if you start a band with the primary goal of making it into a career, you're in it for the wrong reasons.</p> i believe the “touring = money” applies very well to big and developed bands who have probably had a lot of time and money invested both personally and via record labels.

not to be crass, but if you’re a band playing music for $150 a night, you better be doing it for the love of playing in front of people and not for a career. in fact, if you start a band with the primary goal of making it into a career, you’re in it for the wrong reasons.

]]> By: Anonymous http://idolator.com/5054540/hurricanes-and-opec-to-bands-dont-tour/comment-page-1#comment-718192 Anonymous Thu, 25 Sep 2008 05:20:58 +0000 http://c7f1be5d55fea2156fa47ab79029c666#comment-718192 <P>ah the power of numbers. great post, really puts things in to perspective for everyone involved in this industry. now if only the "public" was in on the secret...</P> ah the power of numbers. great post, really puts things in to perspective for everyone involved in this industry. now if only the “public” was in on the secret…

]]> By: Lucas Jensen http://idolator.com/5054540/hurricanes-and-opec-to-bands-dont-tour/comment-page-1#comment-718202 Lucas Jensen Thu, 25 Sep 2008 05:19:16 +0000 http://c7f1be5d55fea2156fa47ab79029c666#comment-718202 <p>Thanks, everybody, for the input! By the way, The Independent did a great, similar piece on Birds of Avalon and Polvo. Check it out: <a href="http://www.indyweek.com/gyrobase/Content?oid=oid%3A260764">[www.indyweek.com]</a></p> Thanks, everybody, for the input! By the way, The Independent did a great, similar piece on Birds of Avalon and Polvo. Check it out: [www.indyweek.com]

]]> By: Chris Molanphy http://idolator.com/5054540/hurricanes-and-opec-to-bands-dont-tour/comment-page-1#comment-718212 Chris Molanphy Thu, 25 Sep 2008 04:06:33 +0000 http://c7f1be5d55fea2156fa47ab79029c666#comment-718212 <p>Just chiming in to say this is the best all-around breakdown of touring I've yet seen. Props, Lucas.</p> Just chiming in to say this is the best all-around breakdown of touring I’ve yet seen. Props, Lucas.

]]> By: Reidicus http://idolator.com/5054540/hurricanes-and-opec-to-bands-dont-tour/comment-page-1#comment-718222 Reidicus Thu, 25 Sep 2008 04:04:31 +0000 http://c7f1be5d55fea2156fa47ab79029c666#comment-718222 <p>Excellently done, and +10 for it all being in my backyard. So can we unpack the implications of this? Does this mean that local music scenes will inevitably get less vital outside the media centers of NY, LA and (perhaps) Nashville, as the good acts realize that they need to be playing "local" shows in those places to get noticed? Are distant 'hoods such as East New York, Brooklyn and Middle Village, Queens about to get mobbed with starving musicians looking for cheap places to live within transit-striking-distance of the action? It's all rather staggering to ponder.</p> Excellently done, and +10 for it all being in my backyard. So can we unpack the implications of this? Does this mean that local music scenes will inevitably get less vital outside the media centers of NY, LA and (perhaps) Nashville, as the good acts realize that they need to be playing “local” shows in those places to get noticed? Are distant ‘hoods such as East New York, Brooklyn and Middle Village, Queens about to get mobbed with starving musicians looking for cheap places to live within transit-striking-distance of the action? It’s all rather staggering to ponder.

]]> By: Anonymous http://idolator.com/5054540/hurricanes-and-opec-to-bands-dont-tour/comment-page-1#comment-718232 Anonymous Thu, 25 Sep 2008 03:20:30 +0000 http://c7f1be5d55fea2156fa47ab79029c666#comment-718232 <p>@<a href="#c7960686">Ned Raggett</a>:</p> <p>Definitely should be.</p> <p>Great post Lucas!</p> @Ned Raggett:

Definitely should be.

Great post Lucas!

]]> By: Audif Jackson Winters III http://idolator.com/5054540/hurricanes-and-opec-to-bands-dont-tour/comment-page-1#comment-718242 Audif Jackson Winters III Thu, 25 Sep 2008 02:24:33 +0000 http://c7f1be5d55fea2156fa47ab79029c666#comment-718242 <P>Yeah, I had to laugh when I saw Governor Perdue's quote this morning in the AJC. I guess he hasn't driven a few miles north of the Governor's mansion to Roswell Road in the last few days.</P> Yeah, I had to laugh when I saw Governor Perdue’s quote this morning in the AJC. I guess he hasn’t driven a few miles north of the Governor’s mansion to Roswell Road in the last few days.

]]> By: Ned Raggett http://idolator.com/5054540/hurricanes-and-opec-to-bands-dont-tour/comment-page-1#comment-718252 Ned Raggett Thu, 25 Sep 2008 02:07:07 +0000 http://c7f1be5d55fea2156fa47ab79029c666#comment-718252 <p>Can we make this post mandatory reading for, say, everyone?</p> Can we make this post mandatory reading for, say, everyone?

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