Comments on: Project X Hits the Hip-Hop Nostalgia Circuit http://idolator.com/5059352/project-x-hits-the-hip-hop-nostalgia-circuit Music News, Reviews, and Gossip on Idolator.com Sat, 26 May 2012 22:32:23 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Anonymous http://idolator.com/5059352/project-x-hits-the-hip-hop-nostalgia-circuit/comment-page-1#comment-727662 Anonymous Tue, 07 Oct 2008 04:54:29 +0000 http://3d6ea6dd83f84dc44f6f3ef066105d2b#comment-727662 <P>"We Trying to Stay Alive," is worse than the the stripper song?</P> “We Trying to Stay Alive,” is worse than the the stripper song?

]]> By: Michaelangelo Matos http://idolator.com/5059352/project-x-hits-the-hip-hop-nostalgia-circuit/comment-page-1#comment-727672 Michaelangelo Matos Mon, 06 Oct 2008 09:09:26 +0000 http://3d6ea6dd83f84dc44f6f3ef066105d2b#comment-727672 <p>@<a href="#c8173417">encyclopediablack</a>: Though in the list's favor it did have the presence of mind to put "Roxanne's Revenge" way above "Roxanne, Roxanne."</p> @encyclopediablack: Though in the list’s favor it did have the presence of mind to put “Roxanne’s Revenge” way above “Roxanne, Roxanne.”

]]> By: encyclopediablack http://idolator.com/5059352/project-x-hits-the-hip-hop-nostalgia-circuit/comment-page-1#comment-727682 encyclopediablack Mon, 06 Oct 2008 08:18:29 +0000 http://3d6ea6dd83f84dc44f6f3ef066105d2b#comment-727682 <P>@<A href="http://idolator.com/5059352/project-x-hits-the-hip+hop-nostalgia-circuit#c8169985">seeohhellbeewhy</A>: I'm dead serious when I say this but what was the influence of "My Neck, My Back?" Female rappers have been making "lovemaking advice" jams for decades.</P> <P>As for "Ether," yes it's one of the greatest diss records of all time, if not the greatest. But I think VH1 was trying to keep their list beef-free with the exception of Pop Goes The Weasel (which should have been replaced with "The Gas Face")and Roxanne's Revenge.</P> @seeohhellbeewhy: I’m dead serious when I say this but what was the influence of “My Neck, My Back?” Female rappers have been making “lovemaking advice” jams for decades.

As for “Ether,” yes it’s one of the greatest diss records of all time, if not the greatest. But I think VH1 was trying to keep their list beef-free with the exception of Pop Goes The Weasel (which should have been replaced with “The Gas Face”)and Roxanne’s Revenge.

]]> By: Michaelangelo Matos http://idolator.com/5059352/project-x-hits-the-hip-hop-nostalgia-circuit/comment-page-1#comment-727692 Michaelangelo Matos Mon, 06 Oct 2008 08:11:48 +0000 http://3d6ea6dd83f84dc44f6f3ef066105d2b#comment-727692 <p>And yes, I know they only let viewers choose from a list; that's what I was alluding to.</p> And yes, I know they only let viewers choose from a list; that’s what I was alluding to.

]]> By: Michaelangelo Matos http://idolator.com/5059352/project-x-hits-the-hip-hop-nostalgia-circuit/comment-page-1#comment-727702 Michaelangelo Matos Mon, 06 Oct 2008 08:10:53 +0000 http://3d6ea6dd83f84dc44f6f3ef066105d2b#comment-727702 <p>I didn't have room to mention this, but the Lady Tigra is so hot it's ridiculous. (Sorry.)</p> I didn’t have room to mention this, but the Lady Tigra is so hot it’s ridiculous. (Sorry.)

]]> By: Maura Johnston http://idolator.com/5059352/project-x-hits-the-hip-hop-nostalgia-circuit/comment-page-1#comment-727712 Maura Johnston Mon, 06 Oct 2008 07:38:32 +0000 http://3d6ea6dd83f84dc44f6f3ef066105d2b#comment-727712 <p>@<a href="#c8169985">seeohhellbeewhy</a>: "a little crass for vh1"? have you seen "i love money"?</p> @seeohhellbeewhy: “a little crass for vh1″? have you seen “i love money”?

]]> By: seeohhellbeewhy http://idolator.com/5059352/project-x-hits-the-hip-hop-nostalgia-circuit/comment-page-1#comment-727722 seeohhellbeewhy Mon, 06 Oct 2008 06:32:26 +0000 http://3d6ea6dd83f84dc44f6f3ef066105d2b#comment-727722 <p>@<a href="#c8168823">Al Shipley</a>: That may be true, but Eve? She jumped onto a sinking ship (ruff ryders) and has been a mockery of herself ever since. T.L.C. released better hip hop singles than "Who's That Girl". And what about Khia? "My Neck, My Back" may be a little crass for VH1 but there's no denying the popularity and influence of that single.</p> <p>@<a href="#c8168332">encyclopediablack</a>: That is an amazing song off a nearly flawless album, but hardly the track i would've chosen to represent him. With only one song per artist, i would've went with "Ether" (duh!).</p> @Al Shipley: That may be true, but Eve? She jumped onto a sinking ship (ruff ryders) and has been a mockery of herself ever since. T.L.C. released better hip hop singles than “Who’s That Girl”. And what about Khia? “My Neck, My Back” may be a little crass for VH1 but there’s no denying the popularity and influence of that single.

@encyclopediablack: That is an amazing song off a nearly flawless album, but hardly the track i would’ve chosen to represent him. With only one song per artist, i would’ve went with “Ether” (duh!).

]]> By: Al Shipley http://idolator.com/5059352/project-x-hits-the-hip-hop-nostalgia-circuit/comment-page-1#comment-727732 Al Shipley Mon, 06 Oct 2008 05:58:52 +0000 http://3d6ea6dd83f84dc44f6f3ef066105d2b#comment-727732 <P>@<A href="http://idolator.com/5059352/project-x-hits-the-hip+hop-nostalgia-circuit#c8168332">encyclopediablack</A>: These VH1 things seem to be pretty inclusive of female rappers in general (see also the Rap Honors thing, which inducted Missy alongside a bunch of male artists who made their impact much earlier).</P> @encyclopediablack: These VH1 things seem to be pretty inclusive of female rappers in general (see also the Rap Honors thing, which inducted Missy alongside a bunch of male artists who made their impact much earlier).

]]> By: encyclopediablack http://idolator.com/5059352/project-x-hits-the-hip-hop-nostalgia-circuit/comment-page-1#comment-727742 encyclopediablack Mon, 06 Oct 2008 05:40:42 +0000 http://3d6ea6dd83f84dc44f6f3ef066105d2b#comment-727742 <P>@<A href="http://idolator.com/5059352/project-x-hits-the-hip+hop-nostalgia-circuit#c8164899">seeohhellbeewhy</A>: I agree with the notion that Gold Digger and Hard Knock Life aren't the true gems of Jay and Kanye's catalogs, but I think One Love might be Nas' best song.</P> <P>And amen to your concern over Eve making this list? What the fuck is that about?</P> @seeohhellbeewhy: I agree with the notion that Gold Digger and Hard Knock Life aren’t the true gems of Jay and Kanye’s catalogs, but I think One Love might be Nas’ best song.

And amen to your concern over Eve making this list? What the fuck is that about?

]]> By: Chris Molanphy http://idolator.com/5059352/project-x-hits-the-hip-hop-nostalgia-circuit/comment-page-1#comment-727752 Chris Molanphy Mon, 06 Oct 2008 04:09:13 +0000 http://3d6ea6dd83f84dc44f6f3ef066105d2b#comment-727752 <p>@<a href="#c8165163">Al Shipley</a>: <i>they'd be better off either doing it all editorially</i></p> <p>Agreed. Thanks for pointing this out -- I was going to do the same.</p> <p>All that said, as a show this has been one of my favorite VH1 top 100s ever, obviously because of the subject matter and because of the visual aspect -- hip-hop has such a rich trove of low-rent and/or so-dated-it's-great video material to work with. And they picked (mostly) good talking heads for this one. In particular, "Kid" of Kid N' Play has infectious enthusiasm and knows a shitload about hip-hop, even songs that postdated his heyday.</p> <p>In fact, if there's anything frustrating about this list, it's that it veers from half-great to tacky. They name-check a lot of records the average VH1 viewer doesn't know at all (or, let's be fair: the average modern hip-hop fan doesn't know, either; I defy anyone who isn't a critic or diehard fan over 30 to know much about <i>Wild Style</i>), which earns my respect. And then they turn around and put an avowedly awful record like "We Trying to Stay Alive," Clef's worst single ever (and he's had good ones), on the same damn list. So unnecessary.</p> @Al Shipley: they’d be better off either doing it all editorially

Agreed. Thanks for pointing this out — I was going to do the same.

All that said, as a show this has been one of my favorite VH1 top 100s ever, obviously because of the subject matter and because of the visual aspect — hip-hop has such a rich trove of low-rent and/or so-dated-it’s-great video material to work with. And they picked (mostly) good talking heads for this one. In particular, “Kid” of Kid N’ Play has infectious enthusiasm and knows a shitload about hip-hop, even songs that postdated his heyday.

In fact, if there’s anything frustrating about this list, it’s that it veers from half-great to tacky. They name-check a lot of records the average VH1 viewer doesn’t know at all (or, let’s be fair: the average modern hip-hop fan doesn’t know, either; I defy anyone who isn’t a critic or diehard fan over 30 to know much about Wild Style), which earns my respect. And then they turn around and put an avowedly awful record like “We Trying to Stay Alive,” Clef’s worst single ever (and he’s had good ones), on the same damn list. So unnecessary.

]]> By: Al Shipley http://idolator.com/5059352/project-x-hits-the-hip-hop-nostalgia-circuit/comment-page-1#comment-727762 Al Shipley Mon, 06 Oct 2008 03:43:00 +0000 http://3d6ea6dd83f84dc44f6f3ef066105d2b#comment-727762 <P>These VH1 lists are "voted for by viewers" in only the loosest sense: they select 200 or 300 songs as voting options, and then let people vote for the top 100 of those. That's why you get so many token picks of one song each by a lot of major artists, and why so many of those picks seem like head-scratchers. Ultimately, that's a good and a bad thing: if they left it wide open, you'd probably get some motivated online fanbase voting a dozen Eminem or 2Pac songs onto the list, and this way they kind of mandate a wider variety. But still, the idea of it being a democratically assembled list is kind of a sham, and they'd be better off either doing it all editorially, or letting a panel of actual hip hop artists and experts vote.</P> These VH1 lists are “voted for by viewers” in only the loosest sense: they select 200 or 300 songs as voting options, and then let people vote for the top 100 of those. That’s why you get so many token picks of one song each by a lot of major artists, and why so many of those picks seem like head-scratchers. Ultimately, that’s a good and a bad thing: if they left it wide open, you’d probably get some motivated online fanbase voting a dozen Eminem or 2Pac songs onto the list, and this way they kind of mandate a wider variety. But still, the idea of it being a democratically assembled list is kind of a sham, and they’d be better off either doing it all editorially, or letting a panel of actual hip hop artists and experts vote.

]]> By: Dickdogfood http://idolator.com/5059352/project-x-hits-the-hip-hop-nostalgia-circuit/comment-page-1#comment-727772 Dickdogfood Mon, 06 Oct 2008 03:42:42 +0000 http://3d6ea6dd83f84dc44f6f3ef066105d2b#comment-727772 <P>MY HEART GOES PANG: <A href="https://www.zerve.com/hiphoplook/sat11">[www.zerve.com]</A></P> MY HEART GOES PANG: [www.zerve.com]

]]> By: Dickdogfood http://idolator.com/5059352/project-x-hits-the-hip-hop-nostalgia-circuit/comment-page-1#comment-727782 Dickdogfood Mon, 06 Oct 2008 03:38:43 +0000 http://3d6ea6dd83f84dc44f6f3ef066105d2b#comment-727782 <P>I am grateful to know that I am not the only one who thinks "Gangsta's Paradise" is gross.</P> I am grateful to know that I am not the only one who thinks “Gangsta’s Paradise” is gross.

]]> By: seeohhellbeewhy http://idolator.com/5059352/project-x-hits-the-hip-hop-nostalgia-circuit/comment-page-1#comment-727792 seeohhellbeewhy Mon, 06 Oct 2008 03:31:35 +0000 http://3d6ea6dd83f84dc44f6f3ef066105d2b#comment-727792 <p>This list has baffled me since i first read about it 2 weeks ago. The sheer lack of Wu-related singles (absolutely no Gza, Ghostface or Raekwon? Only Built 4 Cuban Linx was one of the most important records released in the early '90s, if not the most influential gangster rap album of all time), and the tracks picked by Jay-Z, Kanye and Nas were weak selections from otherwise amazing artists. I can think of at least 10 Public Enemy songs that I would've picked before "Fight the Power" (Rebel Without a Pause?!!), but i guess that was the most palatable to VH1's demographic? I don't get it.</p> <p>Also, how did Eve make it on this list?</p> This list has baffled me since i first read about it 2 weeks ago. The sheer lack of Wu-related singles (absolutely no Gza, Ghostface or Raekwon? Only Built 4 Cuban Linx was one of the most important records released in the early ’90s, if not the most influential gangster rap album of all time), and the tracks picked by Jay-Z, Kanye and Nas were weak selections from otherwise amazing artists. I can think of at least 10 Public Enemy songs that I would’ve picked before “Fight the Power” (Rebel Without a Pause?!!), but i guess that was the most palatable to VH1′s demographic? I don’t get it.

Also, how did Eve make it on this list?

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