Comments on: “Flyover Rock” Is The Future Of Music http://idolator.com/5074975/flyover-rock-is-the-future-of-music Music News, Reviews, and Gossip on Idolator.com Sat, 11 Feb 2012 09:30:15 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: MrStarhead http://idolator.com/5074975/flyover-rock-is-the-future-of-music/comment-page-1#comment-754172 MrStarhead Sat, 08 Nov 2008 07:49:37 +0000 aeafd9a2b14050929f5a1ab0061af12d#comment-754172 <p>It's worth noting that Hinder were never popular in the Oklahoma City rock scene, which can pretty much be divided into a Flaming Lips camp, an All-American Rejects camp, and a screamo camp. Hinder made their name booking their own shows in halls and inviting lots of frat brothers to them, as well as going out to smaller towns and playing there.</p> <p>And I think the Kiss/Pink Floyd comparison is underselling things. It's more like Pink Floyd fans vs. fans of Foghat or BTO, really unpopular workmanlike blue-collar '70s bands.</p> It’s worth noting that Hinder were never popular in the Oklahoma City rock scene, which can pretty much be divided into a Flaming Lips camp, an All-American Rejects camp, and a screamo camp. Hinder made their name booking their own shows in halls and inviting lots of frat brothers to them, as well as going out to smaller towns and playing there.

And I think the Kiss/Pink Floyd comparison is underselling things. It’s more like Pink Floyd fans vs. fans of Foghat or BTO, really unpopular workmanlike blue-collar ’70s bands.

]]> By: AL http://idolator.com/5074975/flyover-rock-is-the-future-of-music/comment-page-1#comment-754182 AL Tue, 04 Nov 2008 01:35:32 +0000 aeafd9a2b14050929f5a1ab0061af12d#comment-754182 <p>@<a href="#c8701828">BreakfastBourbon</a>: You raise a good point which, I think, hasn't yet been discussed here. I'm not so sure that the fans of Hinder, Nickelback, et al. "naturally" gravitate toward and prefer that type of music. Rather, for whatever reason, this music is what the <i>largely</i> coastal types within the major label/Clearchannel nexus <i>think</i> Middle America likes and wants to hear, and so it gets marketed to death and played on all the big rock stations. So, yeah, of course it's going to sell and become popular, because it's getting massive exposure.</p> <p>I do think that to some extent the heavier, more visceral hard rock music has a broader appeal, but I don't think it necessarily has to be as intellectually vacant as Hinder's brand of butt-rock.</p> @BreakfastBourbon: You raise a good point which, I think, hasn’t yet been discussed here. I’m not so sure that the fans of Hinder, Nickelback, et al. “naturally” gravitate toward and prefer that type of music. Rather, for whatever reason, this music is what the largely coastal types within the major label/Clearchannel nexus think Middle America likes and wants to hear, and so it gets marketed to death and played on all the big rock stations. So, yeah, of course it’s going to sell and become popular, because it’s getting massive exposure.

I do think that to some extent the heavier, more visceral hard rock music has a broader appeal, but I don’t think it necessarily has to be as intellectually vacant as Hinder’s brand of butt-rock.

]]> By: BreakfastBourbon http://idolator.com/5074975/flyover-rock-is-the-future-of-music/comment-page-1#comment-754192 BreakfastBourbon Mon, 03 Nov 2008 11:11:15 +0000 aeafd9a2b14050929f5a1ab0061af12d#comment-754192 <p>@<a linkindex="113" href="#c8701548">spankyjoe</a>: I was at that very Hold Steady/DBT show in a maybe 1/2 full Ryman. Earlier in the day, I had pretty much the same conversation with my co-workers (and Daughtry/Finger Eleven, etc. came up) because they had never even heard of either band, mainly due to zero radio play.</p> @spankyjoe: I was at that very Hold Steady/DBT show in a maybe 1/2 full Ryman. Earlier in the day, I had pretty much the same conversation with my co-workers (and Daughtry/Finger Eleven, etc. came up) because they had never even heard of either band, mainly due to zero radio play.

]]> By: spankyjoe http://idolator.com/5074975/flyover-rock-is-the-future-of-music/comment-page-1#comment-754202 spankyjoe Mon, 03 Nov 2008 10:58:44 +0000 aeafd9a2b14050929f5a1ab0061af12d#comment-754202 <p>@<a href="#c8698338">RaptorAvatar</a>:</p> <p>I'm not saying blue state folk don't rock out - there's just a greater self-awareness of doing so. Using your terms (and noting belatedly that one-size-fits-all-generalizing is always inaccurate), my contention would be that Hinder et al don't "apply esoteric fine art principles to the dionysian aspects of punk." I'm just not good at that whole brevity thing, hence the giant block of prose. Both you and Stooberman said it much better than I did.</p> <p>@<a href="#c8698409">drinkypuss</a>:</p> <p>Faced with the option of seeing DBT vs. a rescheduled NIN show this weekend, I've opted to go with NIN specifically because of supporting musicians. The band just isn't the same without Isbell, bless John Neff's heart. Conversely, this will be one of the last chances to see NIN with both Josh Freese AND Robin Finck.</p> @RaptorAvatar:

I’m not saying blue state folk don’t rock out – there’s just a greater self-awareness of doing so. Using your terms (and noting belatedly that one-size-fits-all-generalizing is always inaccurate), my contention would be that Hinder et al don’t “apply esoteric fine art principles to the dionysian aspects of punk.” I’m just not good at that whole brevity thing, hence the giant block of prose. Both you and Stooberman said it much better than I did.

@drinkypuss:

Faced with the option of seeing DBT vs. a rescheduled NIN show this weekend, I’ve opted to go with NIN specifically because of supporting musicians. The band just isn’t the same without Isbell, bless John Neff’s heart. Conversely, this will be one of the last chances to see NIN with both Josh Freese AND Robin Finck.

]]> By: Mike Barthel http://idolator.com/5074975/flyover-rock-is-the-future-of-music/comment-page-1#comment-754212 Mike Barthel Mon, 03 Nov 2008 10:52:04 +0000 aeafd9a2b14050929f5a1ab0061af12d#comment-754212 <p>@<a href="#c8700936">Michaelangelo Matos</a>: fair enough. Point is that the argument (the coasts/the media/the elites/critics/whoever sneer at supposedly "dumb" rock bands the rest of the country likes) is a recurring theme in Hammer of the Gods, and according to that book at least, Zep did feel disrespected by "the critics," whatever they meant by that. Maybe they only cared about RS? I don't have the book here so I can't tell you specifics.</p> @Michaelangelo Matos: fair enough. Point is that the argument (the coasts/the media/the elites/critics/whoever sneer at supposedly “dumb” rock bands the rest of the country likes) is a recurring theme in Hammer of the Gods, and according to that book at least, Zep did feel disrespected by “the critics,” whatever they meant by that. Maybe they only cared about RS? I don’t have the book here so I can’t tell you specifics.

]]> By: Mike Barthel http://idolator.com/5074975/flyover-rock-is-the-future-of-music/comment-page-1#comment-754222 Mike Barthel Mon, 03 Nov 2008 10:45:59 +0000 aeafd9a2b14050929f5a1ab0061af12d#comment-754222 <p>The article brought up the idea that the music was confined to a particular geographical area, which yeah of course it's not. But it does describe well a particular taste grouping, and that's generally opposed to another taste grouping. So don't get take that terminology too literally, at least as it's used here.</p> The article brought up the idea that the music was confined to a particular geographical area, which yeah of course it’s not. But it does describe well a particular taste grouping, and that’s generally opposed to another taste grouping. So don’t get take that terminology too literally, at least as it’s used here.

]]> By: Michaelangelo Matos http://idolator.com/5074975/flyover-rock-is-the-future-of-music/comment-page-1#comment-754232 Michaelangelo Matos Mon, 03 Nov 2008 10:36:00 +0000 aeafd9a2b14050929f5a1ab0061af12d#comment-754232 <p>sorry, that was unclear: RS didn't like them, but many others did.</p> sorry, that was unclear: RS didn’t like them, but many others did.

]]> By: Michaelangelo Matos http://idolator.com/5074975/flyover-rock-is-the-future-of-music/comment-page-1#comment-754242 Michaelangelo Matos Mon, 03 Nov 2008 10:35:42 +0000 aeafd9a2b14050929f5a1ab0061af12d#comment-754242 <p>Newsflash: "critics" didn't hate Led Zeppelin. <i>Rolling Stone</i> didn't, but many of the rest did.</p> Newsflash: “critics” didn’t hate Led Zeppelin. Rolling Stone didn’t, but many of the rest did.

]]> By: mike a http://idolator.com/5074975/flyover-rock-is-the-future-of-music/comment-page-1#comment-754252 mike a Mon, 03 Nov 2008 09:29:57 +0000 aeafd9a2b14050929f5a1ab0061af12d#comment-754252 <P>@<A href="http://idolator.com/5074975/flyover-rock-is-the-future-of-music#c8697439">K-Rex</A>: Of course not. I live in a blue area of Missouri, mostly a red state, and Nickelback is no more popular here than in Brooklyn. But go to red areas of blue states - for instance, Yakima, WA or Sayreville, NJ - and you start to realize that Hinder's not just for the culturally deprived midwest or southern states.</P> <P>Defaming entire regions of the country for the musical sins of a few is just as stupid - and easily refuted - as pretending some little college town is "the next Seattle" because three bands have emerged from there.</P> @K-Rex: Of course not. I live in a blue area of Missouri, mostly a red state, and Nickelback is no more popular here than in Brooklyn. But go to red areas of blue states – for instance, Yakima, WA or Sayreville, NJ – and you start to realize that Hinder’s not just for the culturally deprived midwest or southern states.

Defaming entire regions of the country for the musical sins of a few is just as stupid – and easily refuted – as pretending some little college town is “the next Seattle” because three bands have emerged from there.

]]> By: Anonymous http://idolator.com/5074975/flyover-rock-is-the-future-of-music/comment-page-1#comment-754262 Anonymous Mon, 03 Nov 2008 09:15:13 +0000 aeafd9a2b14050929f5a1ab0061af12d#comment-754262 <P>@<A href="http://idolator.com/5074975/flyover-rock-is-the-future-of-music#c8698409">drinkypuss</A>: er, themes of Cooley.</P> @drinkypuss: er, themes of Cooley.

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