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	<title>Comments on: Everything That Will Happen In The Music Business&#8217; Future May Have Happened To Brian Eno And David Byrne</title>
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		<title>By: Lucas Jensen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lucas Jensen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 12:50:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;And y&#039;all have to admit that the embeddable album player is pretty snazzy.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And y&#8217;all have to admit that the embeddable album player is pretty snazzy.</p>
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		<title>By: Lucas Jensen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lucas Jensen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 12:49:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;@&lt;a href=&quot;#c9008650&quot;&gt;owenmeany&lt;/a&gt;: I don&#039;t know what the business model is other than getting a cut of sales, I think.  To be honest, it wasn&#039;t the focus of the article for me.  I was more interested in the idea of fans engaging in commerce with the artists themselves, with minimal interference.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c9008650">owenmeany</a>: I don&#8217;t know what the business model is other than getting a cut of sales, I think.  To be honest, it wasn&#8217;t the focus of the article for me.  I was more interested in the idea of fans engaging in commerce with the artists themselves, with minimal interference.</p>
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		<title>By: Lucas Jensen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lucas Jensen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 12:48:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;@&lt;a href=&quot;#c9010882&quot;&gt;scottmcd&lt;/a&gt;: I think you are right here about the potential irrelevance for Topspin, but these tools are still not readily available to everybody not named Brian Eno or David Byrne.  Who knows what Topspin&#039;s model is, but I&#039;d give them a cut if they created that embeddable player with me that also linked to a store and gathered emails for an MP3 download trade.  This is all stuff I can do on my own, but doing so takes a bit of time.  They said the Eno and Byrne got a &quot;majority&quot; of the profits, and I suspect that Topspin&#039;s cut is probably comparable or less than iTunes.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c9010882">scottmcd</a>: I think you are right here about the potential irrelevance for Topspin, but these tools are still not readily available to everybody not named Brian Eno or David Byrne.  Who knows what Topspin&#8217;s model is, but I&#8217;d give them a cut if they created that embeddable player with me that also linked to a store and gathered emails for an MP3 download trade.  This is all stuff I can do on my own, but doing so takes a bit of time.  They said the Eno and Byrne got a &#8220;majority&#8221; of the profits, and I suspect that Topspin&#8217;s cut is probably comparable or less than iTunes.</p>
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		<title>By: Lucas Jensen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lucas Jensen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 12:46:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;@&lt;a href=&quot;#c9009917&quot;&gt;Jinsai&lt;/a&gt;: Of course that&#039;s nothing new, but that&#039;s not the point of this.  The point is that more artists are cutting out middlemen and communicating more directly with their fans for higher yield sales.  What else would you have them sell?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c9009917">Jinsai</a>: Of course that&#8217;s nothing new, but that&#8217;s not the point of this.  The point is that more artists are cutting out middlemen and communicating more directly with their fans for higher yield sales.  What else would you have them sell?</p>
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		<title>By: Marth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 10:57:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Step 1: Be David Byrne&lt;br&gt;
Step 2: Record with Brian Eno&lt;br&gt;
Step 3: ...Profit!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;/Deadspin meme for a Topspin post.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Step 1: Be David Byrne<br />
Step 2: Record with Brian Eno<br />
Step 3: &#8230;Profit!</p>
<p>/Deadspin meme for a Topspin post.</p>
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		<title>By: TheContrarian</title>
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		<dc:creator>TheContrarian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 08:32:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Great post, Lucas.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: scottmcd</title>
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		<dc:creator>scottmcd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 08:27:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;If anything this looks like a self-help kit for major labels. You&#039;ve got a cool new platform with options where the band can potential make more money, but the label could create something similar and still make some dough also.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I too would love to know how much Topspin is going to make from each artist?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I like the idea, but ultimately shouldn&#039;t the artist just do it themselves instead of paying a fee to Topspin? How hard is it to start your own blog, sell downloads and merch, and market to other taste maker blogs?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If anything this looks like a self-help kit for major labels. You&#8217;ve got a cool new platform with options where the band can potential make more money, but the label could create something similar and still make some dough also.</p>
<p>I too would love to know how much Topspin is going to make from each artist?</p>
<p>I like the idea, but ultimately shouldn&#8217;t the artist just do it themselves instead of paying a fee to Topspin? How hard is it to start your own blog, sell downloads and merch, and market to other taste maker blogs?</p>
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		<title>By: Jinsai</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jinsai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 08:02:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I think it&#039;s funny that he talks about how dead the CD business is, and how they&#039;re going to change the paradigm...and then TopSpin/Byrne &amp; Eno sold...a CD.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But you could get it in a REALLY fancy box if you wanted. Or not.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Also they sold downloads.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Last time I checked, that&#039;s what everybody else is doing (and has done).&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#8217;s funny that he talks about how dead the CD business is, and how they&#8217;re going to change the paradigm&#8230;and then TopSpin/Byrne &amp; Eno sold&#8230;a CD.</p>
<p>But you could get it in a REALLY fancy box if you wanted. Or not.</p>
<p>Also they sold downloads.</p>
<p>Last time I checked, that&#8217;s what everybody else is doing (and has done).</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 07:27:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;A question for you, Mr. Lucas Jensen - did Ian Rogers give any explanation in his presentation about how Topspin generates revenue for themselves?  I&#039;d love to know what his biz model is...&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A question for you, Mr. Lucas Jensen &#8211; did Ian Rogers give any explanation in his presentation about how Topspin generates revenue for themselves?  I&#8217;d love to know what his biz model is&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 07:22:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;@&lt;a href=&quot;#c9004821&quot;&gt;troybulldogs21&lt;/a&gt;: &lt;br&gt;
I think it depends on your definition of an artist&#039;s success, which you didn&#039;t really expand upon other than to say that a successful artist is heard and read about by outsiders.  Does that mean the artist is successful?  Ask that question to an artist - the answer would be a resounding NO.  You&#039;d be hard-pressed to find an act that&#039;s happy to say, &quot;Well, they got me on MTV, but I&#039;m homeless.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I&#039;m happy to break down how a label financially &#039;screws&#039; the artist, but it&#039;d be a long read and most you may already be aware of.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c9004821">troybulldogs21</a>: <br />
I think it depends on your definition of an artist&#8217;s success, which you didn&#8217;t really expand upon other than to say that a successful artist is heard and read about by outsiders.  Does that mean the artist is successful?  Ask that question to an artist &#8211; the answer would be a resounding NO.  You&#8217;d be hard-pressed to find an act that&#8217;s happy to say, &#8220;Well, they got me on MTV, but I&#8217;m homeless.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m happy to break down how a label financially &#8216;screws&#8217; the artist, but it&#8217;d be a long read and most you may already be aware of.</p>
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		<title>By: Lucas Jensen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lucas Jensen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 06:12:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;@&lt;a href=&quot;#c9004632&quot;&gt;RaptorAvatar&lt;/a&gt;: I was thinking more about the first two.  I&#039;d go more 8/12, or even 7/10.  It&#039;s not outlandish or anything.  Just a tad high.  The box set is fancy, so whatevs on that one.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c9004632">RaptorAvatar</a>: I was thinking more about the first two.  I&#8217;d go more 8/12, or even 7/10.  It&#8217;s not outlandish or anything.  Just a tad high.  The box set is fancy, so whatevs on that one.</p>
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		<title>By: troybulldogs21</title>
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		<dc:creator>troybulldogs21</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 05:37:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;this may not be the correct place to ask, but what is the evidence that major labels/labels in general/management were truly screwing bands?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;i&#039;m aware non-established artists aren&#039;t likely paid commensurate with their success/overall profitability, but isn&#039;t that just a result of their hedging their futures by signing with a label in the first place? by signing, they get the guaranteed revenue of the advance/signing monies (plus marketing power), but give up the potential to reap the massive rewards of great success, yet also don&#039;t have to worry about leaving the business empty-handed. this is what i&#039;ve come to understand, but please correct me if i&#039;m wrong.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;assuming the previous paragraph is true, aren&#039;t we more likely to see the successes than the failures? successes are the bands we listen to and constantly receive space in music news/reviews. failures are likely to be unheard and unseen. thus, outsiders (myself included) are more likely to conclude that the &#039;industry&#039; is screwing the artists, when in fact its possible that only the successful artists are being harmed when they in fact chose this path to avoid ending up like failures. in the face of their new found success, they believe they should be more highly compensated and then the image of &#039;being screwed&#039; is created.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;i&#039;m not saying the &#039;industry&#039; is not culpable, their excesses have been detailed enough it&#039;s tough to disagree with the assessment of poor management. i&#039;m only wondering if they truly did &#039;screw&#039; the artists, as i don&#039;t believe major label financial success and artist compensation are as necessarily related as they are made out to be.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;if anyone with more info could please critique this (&quot;you&#039;re wrong&quot; will suffice), it would be appreciated, i&#039;d really like to have a more educated opinion and idolator seems to be the only place i frequent that is truly interested in educated opinions.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this may not be the correct place to ask, but what is the evidence that major labels/labels in general/management were truly screwing bands?</p>
<p>i&#8217;m aware non-established artists aren&#8217;t likely paid commensurate with their success/overall profitability, but isn&#8217;t that just a result of their hedging their futures by signing with a label in the first place? by signing, they get the guaranteed revenue of the advance/signing monies (plus marketing power), but give up the potential to reap the massive rewards of great success, yet also don&#8217;t have to worry about leaving the business empty-handed. this is what i&#8217;ve come to understand, but please correct me if i&#8217;m wrong.</p>
<p>assuming the previous paragraph is true, aren&#8217;t we more likely to see the successes than the failures? successes are the bands we listen to and constantly receive space in music news/reviews. failures are likely to be unheard and unseen. thus, outsiders (myself included) are more likely to conclude that the &#8216;industry&#8217; is screwing the artists, when in fact its possible that only the successful artists are being harmed when they in fact chose this path to avoid ending up like failures. in the face of their new found success, they believe they should be more highly compensated and then the image of &#8216;being screwed&#8217; is created.</p>
<p>i&#8217;m not saying the &#8216;industry&#8217; is not culpable, their excesses have been detailed enough it&#8217;s tough to disagree with the assessment of poor management. i&#8217;m only wondering if they truly did &#8216;screw&#8217; the artists, as i don&#8217;t believe major label financial success and artist compensation are as necessarily related as they are made out to be.</p>
<p>if anyone with more info could please critique this (&#8220;you&#8217;re wrong&#8221; will suffice), it would be appreciated, i&#8217;d really like to have a more educated opinion and idolator seems to be the only place i frequent that is truly interested in educated opinions.</p>
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		<title>By: RaptorAvatar</title>
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		<dc:creator>RaptorAvatar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 05:31:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;P&gt;Finally, someone seems to be getting it right. Out of curiosity, why does the $9/$13/$70 scheme seem high to you? A CD costs ~$2 to manufacture with artwork, ~$1.50 to ship, and maybe a little &lt;$1 in labor time for handling so I don&#039;t see the problem with paying a little more for it. Maybe $70 is high for the box set but I personally spend in that ballpark on my favorite artists each album cycle, so I don&#039;t think it&#039;s that big a deal (assuming you like Eno &amp; Byrne as much as I like The National).&lt;/P&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Finally, someone seems to be getting it right. Out of curiosity, why does the $9/$13/$70 scheme seem high to you? A CD costs ~$2 to manufacture with artwork, ~$1.50 to ship, and maybe a little &lt;$1 in labor time for handling so I don&#8217;t see the problem with paying a little more for it. Maybe $70 is high for the box set but I personally spend in that ballpark on my favorite artists each album cycle, so I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s that big a deal (assuming you like Eno &amp; Byrne as much as I like The National).</p>
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