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		<title>By: John P Strohm</title>
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		<dc:creator>John P Strohm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 06:46:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;P&gt;@&lt;A href=&quot;http://idolator.com/5106872/the-idolawyer-on-whether-or-not-coldplay-can-fly-away-from-joe-satrianis-lawsuit#c9433921&quot;&gt;porkchops&lt;/A&gt;: There are different versions of the audience test that try to address the issue you&#039;ve identified. I may be wrong, but I think the 9th circuit formulation has separate copying and substantial similarity elements - copying can be established by expert testimony, but if copying is found SS is established using the traditional audience test.&lt;/P&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="http://idolator.com/5106872/the-idolawyer-on-whether-or-not-coldplay-can-fly-away-from-joe-satrianis-lawsuit#c9433921">porkchops</a>: There are different versions of the audience test that try to address the issue you&#8217;ve identified. I may be wrong, but I think the 9th circuit formulation has separate copying and substantial similarity elements &#8211; copying can be established by expert testimony, but if copying is found SS is established using the traditional audience test.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 06:14:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;P&gt;@&lt;A href=&quot;http://idolator.com/5106872/the-idolawyer-on-whether-or-not-coldplay-can-fly-away-from-joe-satrianis-lawsuit#c9427651&quot;&gt;John P Strohm&lt;/A&gt;: Yeah, well, that review kind of missed the mark in a lot of ways anyway, so I wouldn&#039;t worry much about your legacy - either with the BB or the &quot;welterweight&quot; (?!) Lemonheads...&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Back on topic, I think your point about musicians (and esp. songwriters) recognizing similarities more often than a typical audience is very important when it comes to deciding these cases.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Since the value of a song like Coldplay&#039;s is directly correlated to the impression it makes on an audience, should the reasonable person/audience impression test be given more weight that the &quot;expert analysis.&quot;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;I mean, an expert could go on all day about how similar to compositions are but if the general audience can&#039;t hear it until it is pointed out to them in excruciating detail then isn&#039;t that rather indicitave that they&#039;re not all that similar after all?&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;As for My Sweet Lord, that case had to be a slam dunk because He&#039;s So Fine is a song that EVERYBODY had heard - a giant hit - and it&#039;s the same song pretty much all the way through, so that&#039;s kind of one extreme.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;The Coldplay case is more of a gray area I suppose, but the rights to their songs are so incredibly valuable that they have no choice to fight it or they&#039;d open themselves up to a cottage industry of claims. I can see a lawyer on TV doing the ad: has YOUR song been ripped off by Coldplay? Maybe it has! Go check all your old tapes very carefully and give us a call at 1-800-INFRINGE - we&#039;ll get you the compensation you deserve!&lt;/P&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="http://idolator.com/5106872/the-idolawyer-on-whether-or-not-coldplay-can-fly-away-from-joe-satrianis-lawsuit#c9427651">John P Strohm</a>: Yeah, well, that review kind of missed the mark in a lot of ways anyway, so I wouldn&#8217;t worry much about your legacy &#8211; either with the BB or the &#8220;welterweight&#8221; (?!) Lemonheads&#8230;</p>
<p>Back on topic, I think your point about musicians (and esp. songwriters) recognizing similarities more often than a typical audience is very important when it comes to deciding these cases.</p>
<p>Since the value of a song like Coldplay&#8217;s is directly correlated to the impression it makes on an audience, should the reasonable person/audience impression test be given more weight that the &#8220;expert analysis.&#8221;</p>
<p>I mean, an expert could go on all day about how similar to compositions are but if the general audience can&#8217;t hear it until it is pointed out to them in excruciating detail then isn&#8217;t that rather indicitave that they&#8217;re not all that similar after all?</p>
<p>As for My Sweet Lord, that case had to be a slam dunk because He&#8217;s So Fine is a song that EVERYBODY had heard &#8211; a giant hit &#8211; and it&#8217;s the same song pretty much all the way through, so that&#8217;s kind of one extreme.</p>
<p>The Coldplay case is more of a gray area I suppose, but the rights to their songs are so incredibly valuable that they have no choice to fight it or they&#8217;d open themselves up to a cottage industry of claims. I can see a lawyer on TV doing the ad: has YOUR song been ripped off by Coldplay? Maybe it has! Go check all your old tapes very carefully and give us a call at 1-800-INFRINGE &#8211; we&#8217;ll get you the compensation you deserve!</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 05:56:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;P&gt;@John P. Strohm: Sure, just another member of some little college band that helped open the floodgates on an obscure movement known as the alt rock EXPLOSION of the 90&#039;s, right??&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Nothing to write home about, I guess!&lt;BR&gt;&lt;A name=youtube:Ib3TteUqF-E&gt;&lt;/A&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@John P. Strohm: Sure, just another member of some little college band that helped open the floodgates on an obscure movement known as the alt rock EXPLOSION of the 90&#8217;s, right??</p>
<p>Nothing to write home about, I guess!<br /><a name=youtube:Ib3TteUqF-E></a></p>
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		<title>By: Richaod</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richaod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 03:14:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;@&lt;a href=&quot;#c9404678&quot;&gt;kabosh&lt;/a&gt;: the perfect pitch dictates that Satriani&#039;s in D, Coldplay in D flat.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c9404678">kabosh</a>: the perfect pitch dictates that Satriani&#8217;s in D, Coldplay in D flat.</p>
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		<title>By: John P Strohm</title>
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		<dc:creator>John P Strohm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 02:42:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;P&gt;@&lt;A href=&quot;http://idolator.com/5106872/the-idolawyer-on-whether-or-not-coldplay-can-fly-away-from-joe-satrianis-lawsuit#c9424415&quot;&gt;porkchops&lt;/A&gt;: heh, yeah, old home movies with my ex-girlfriend.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;In a recent Pitchfork review of Juliana&#039;s latest, the writer declared The Blake Babies not to be as important as The Pixies or Mission of Burma, so I&#039;d assumed that was the last word on the subject.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;That song&#039;s a good example of a song I wrote that I worried for a long time was probably unintentionally ripped off from somewhere. That&#039;s the danger of trying to write catchy pop songs. How many melodies can you sing over a I-IV progression?&lt;/P&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="http://idolator.com/5106872/the-idolawyer-on-whether-or-not-coldplay-can-fly-away-from-joe-satrianis-lawsuit#c9424415">porkchops</a>: heh, yeah, old home movies with my ex-girlfriend.</p>
<p>In a recent Pitchfork review of Juliana&#8217;s latest, the writer declared The Blake Babies not to be as important as The Pixies or Mission of Burma, so I&#8217;d assumed that was the last word on the subject.</p>
<p>That song&#8217;s a good example of a song I wrote that I worried for a long time was probably unintentionally ripped off from somewhere. That&#8217;s the danger of trying to write catchy pop songs. How many melodies can you sing over a I-IV progression?</p>
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		<title>By: ilovealias4ever</title>
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		<dc:creator>ilovealias4ever</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 01:02:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;P&gt;There are some really great points here.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;One that I noticed wasn&#039;t mentioned - but does come under the umbrella of &#039;unintentional infringement&#039; - was the fact that a little New York band, &quot;The Creaky Boards&quot; also used a similar melody in their song, &#039;The Songs I Didn&#039;t Write&#039;.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;If a virtually unknown band has discovered the same tune, as well as a &#039;guitar legend&#039; and the Biggest Band in the World, how does it not represent the fact (to Satriani and others) that it could actually be pure coincidence?&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;If three artists - who are not linked in any known way - have come up with a similar sound, I think it&#039;s going to be hard to pin an infringement stamp on Coldplay&#039;s front.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;But then, of course, all of [i]that[/i] comes down to this obviously flawed &#039;audience test&#039; system, the arguments put forth by each legal entity, and the &#039;similarity&#039; etc. - and all that, again, is still reliant on whether or not the case even goes to trial.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;I agree with sstendhal, I really don&#039;t want a settlement to take place out of court.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;For starters, I believe Coldplay are in the clear - coupled with the above argument, Chris Martin wrote a letter to German band, &quot;Kraftwerk&quot;, asking for permission to use a riff from their song, &#039;Computer Love&#039; in their own, &#039;Talk&#039;; I don&#039;t see why he wouldn&#039;t pay a well known guitarist the same courtesy…&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Same goes with their recent use of &#039;Life Through the Veins&#039; by Jon Hopkins on their latest release, &quot;Viva La Vida or Death And All His Friends&quot; - personally, I had never even heard of him before Coldplay used his music, so I don&#039;t see him as this well known performer; but I do think that Joe Satriani is the bigger artist.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Chris Martin and the rest of the band have too much integrity to &#039;steal&#039; from other musicians. They have never hidden the fact that they believe it is important to &#039;prove themselves&#039; worthy of their job, that they are always trying to better themselves, to create something new and fantastic, and original. Copying/stealing, whatever, from someone else would be terribly contradicting, and extremely uncharacteristic of them.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;And secondly, going to trial will hopefully shed some new light on the problem of music plagiarism, and set a new precedent for future copyright infringement cases.&lt;/P&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are some really great points here.</p>
<p>One that I noticed wasn&#8217;t mentioned &#8211; but does come under the umbrella of &#8216;unintentional infringement&#8217; &#8211; was the fact that a little New York band, &#8220;The Creaky Boards&#8221; also used a similar melody in their song, &#8216;The Songs I Didn&#8217;t Write&#8217;.</p>
<p>If a virtually unknown band has discovered the same tune, as well as a &#8216;guitar legend&#8217; and the Biggest Band in the World, how does it not represent the fact (to Satriani and others) that it could actually be pure coincidence?</p>
<p>If three artists &#8211; who are not linked in any known way &#8211; have come up with a similar sound, I think it&#8217;s going to be hard to pin an infringement stamp on Coldplay&#8217;s front.</p>
<p>But then, of course, all of [i]that[/i] comes down to this obviously flawed &#8216;audience test&#8217; system, the arguments put forth by each legal entity, and the &#8217;similarity&#8217; etc. &#8211; and all that, again, is still reliant on whether or not the case even goes to trial.</p>
<p>I agree with sstendhal, I really don&#8217;t want a settlement to take place out of court.</p>
<p>For starters, I believe Coldplay are in the clear &#8211; coupled with the above argument, Chris Martin wrote a letter to German band, &#8220;Kraftwerk&#8221;, asking for permission to use a riff from their song, &#8216;Computer Love&#8217; in their own, &#8216;Talk&#8217;; I don&#8217;t see why he wouldn&#8217;t pay a well known guitarist the same courtesy…</p>
<p>Same goes with their recent use of &#8216;Life Through the Veins&#8217; by Jon Hopkins on their latest release, &#8220;Viva La Vida or Death And All His Friends&#8221; &#8211; personally, I had never even heard of him before Coldplay used his music, so I don&#8217;t see him as this well known performer; but I do think that Joe Satriani is the bigger artist.</p>
<p>Chris Martin and the rest of the band have too much integrity to &#8217;steal&#8217; from other musicians. They have never hidden the fact that they believe it is important to &#8216;prove themselves&#8217; worthy of their job, that they are always trying to better themselves, to create something new and fantastic, and original. Copying/stealing, whatever, from someone else would be terribly contradicting, and extremely uncharacteristic of them.</p>
<p>And secondly, going to trial will hopefully shed some new light on the problem of music plagiarism, and set a new precedent for future copyright infringement cases.</p>
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		<title>By: John P Strohm</title>
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		<dc:creator>John P Strohm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 11:27:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;P&gt;@&lt;A href=&quot;http://idolator.com/5106872/the-idolawyer-on-whether-or-not-coldplay-can-fly-away-from-joe-satrianis-lawsuit#c9416183&quot;&gt;Lucas Jensen&lt;/A&gt;: really? I thought I was stretching the truth a little.&lt;/P&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="http://idolator.com/5106872/the-idolawyer-on-whether-or-not-coldplay-can-fly-away-from-joe-satrianis-lawsuit#c9416183">Lucas Jensen</a>: really? I thought I was stretching the truth a little.</p>
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		<title>By: Lucas Jensen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lucas Jensen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 10:27:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;@&lt;a href=&quot;#c9404040&quot;&gt;John P Strohm&lt;/a&gt;: You were a professional songwriter and musician?  John, you are being modest.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c9404040">John P Strohm</a>: You were a professional songwriter and musician?  John, you are being modest.</p>
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		<title>By: anumberofnames</title>
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		<dc:creator>anumberofnames</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 07:11:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I&#039;m surprised that no one has mentioned Marty Balin&#039;s &quot;Hearts.&quot;  I think it&#039;s much more plausible that Balin influenced both Satriani and Coldplay than that Satriani influenced Coldplay.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m surprised that no one has mentioned Marty Balin&#8217;s &#8220;Hearts.&#8221;  I think it&#8217;s much more plausible that Balin influenced both Satriani and Coldplay than that Satriani influenced Coldplay.</p>
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		<title>By: John P Strohm</title>
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		<dc:creator>John P Strohm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 05:52:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;P&gt;Sorry, all, to post substantially the same comment twice. For some reason it didn&#039;t show up at first...&lt;/P&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, all, to post substantially the same comment twice. For some reason it didn&#8217;t show up at first&#8230;</p>
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