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	<title>Comments on: Fergie Power: How the Spun-Off Diva Dragged Her Homeboys to No. 1</title>
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		<title>By: AR</title>
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		<dc:creator>AR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 19:26:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not to turn this into a Fleetwood Mac-a-palooza, not that I&#039;d be against that...

Completely agree on the Iovine connection.  Funny thing is that Fergie isn&#039;t really enough of a singer to get promoted the way Stevie was -- a lot of guest backing vocals (Kenny Loggins, John Stewart, etc.) prior to the big solo breakthrough.  Gwen Stefani&#039;s trajectory, however, is very similar (Moby, Eve) -- wonder whether Iovine was as involved? Also similar is how Fergie is being positioned as a pop diva, rather than the allegedly R&amp;B take of the Peas, while Stevie was pushed as rock, compared to the Mac&#039;s strong pop flavor. 

Once Buckingham got heavily involved in the production, it was largely his band, and since he was the only one who worked mostly sober and was willing to tie himself to the soundboard to get stuff done, he had a huge leg up on everyone else in terms of determining what the final product would be.  But I think that Stevie&#039;s interim hits between Mirage and Tango in the Night (meaning the 5-6 singles off of the Wild Heart and Rock a Little albums) at least kept that sound in the public consciousness (and MTV), so that Tango wasn&#039;t as much of a comeback as it might have otherwise been.   

While the Buckingham/McVie solo projects had some success, I don&#039;t think that their solo records had as much of the Mac flavor to them as Nicks&#039; solo work did, so didn&#039;t have the same effect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not to turn this into a Fleetwood Mac-a-palooza, not that I&#8217;d be against that&#8230;</p>
<p>Completely agree on the Iovine connection.  Funny thing is that Fergie isn&#8217;t really enough of a singer to get promoted the way Stevie was &#8212; a lot of guest backing vocals (Kenny Loggins, John Stewart, etc.) prior to the big solo breakthrough.  Gwen Stefani&#8217;s trajectory, however, is very similar (Moby, Eve) &#8212; wonder whether Iovine was as involved? Also similar is how Fergie is being positioned as a pop diva, rather than the allegedly R&amp;B take of the Peas, while Stevie was pushed as rock, compared to the Mac&#8217;s strong pop flavor. </p>
<p>Once Buckingham got heavily involved in the production, it was largely his band, and since he was the only one who worked mostly sober and was willing to tie himself to the soundboard to get stuff done, he had a huge leg up on everyone else in terms of determining what the final product would be.  But I think that Stevie&#8217;s interim hits between Mirage and Tango in the Night (meaning the 5-6 singles off of the Wild Heart and Rock a Little albums) at least kept that sound in the public consciousness (and MTV), so that Tango wasn&#8217;t as much of a comeback as it might have otherwise been.   </p>
<p>While the Buckingham/McVie solo projects had some success, I don&#8217;t think that their solo records had as much of the Mac flavor to them as Nicks&#8217; solo work did, so didn&#8217;t have the same effect.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Molanphy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Molanphy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 15:25:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-917181&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;AR&lt;/a&gt;: That&#039;s a good call on Stevie. Ironically, her solo career was micromanaged by Jimmy Iovine, the same guy who oversees Interscope and the Fergie operation now! He pulled all sorts of strings on that first Nicks album in &#039;81--Tom Petty, Don Henley, etc.--not unlike all the cooks brought in for &lt;i&gt;The Dutchess&lt;/i&gt;.

The only reason Nicks doesn&#039;t come up in the context of this column is her chart performance. &lt;i&gt;Bella Donna&lt;/i&gt; was a chart-topping album, but none of its singles made No. 1 (the Petty track made the Top Five, the Henley track the Top 10); and by the time she went solo the Mac had already had its sole No. 1 single, &quot;Dreams&quot; (one of her songs, natch).

You&#039;re also right about the power structure in Mac -- after &lt;i&gt;Tusk&lt;/i&gt; they were largely Lindsay Buckingham&#039;s show, with or without the interpersonal dysfunction. So there was a limit to how much weight Nicks could throw around coming back to home base. I&#039;d half-agree with you about what her solo cred did for the group: she came back powerful on &lt;i&gt;Mirage&lt;/i&gt;, and &quot;Gypsy&quot; was hugely important to that album (a Nicks song through-and-through that could easily have appeared on &lt;i&gt;The WIld Heart&lt;/i&gt;); but she was almost a nonentity on &lt;i&gt;Tango&lt;/i&gt;, which is such a Buckingham album. Besides, by &#039;87, her solo career was well established but pretty dull, and it was sort of a minor miracle &lt;i&gt;Tango&lt;/i&gt; happened at all (longest hiatus between Mac albums; by then all three songwriters had scored hit singles/albums). Still, your larger point is totally solid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-917181" rel="nofollow">AR</a>: That&#8217;s a good call on Stevie. Ironically, her solo career was micromanaged by Jimmy Iovine, the same guy who oversees Interscope and the Fergie operation now! He pulled all sorts of strings on that first Nicks album in &#8216;81&#8211;Tom Petty, Don Henley, etc.&#8211;not unlike all the cooks brought in for <i>The Dutchess</i>.</p>
<p>The only reason Nicks doesn&#8217;t come up in the context of this column is her chart performance. <i>Bella Donna</i> was a chart-topping album, but none of its singles made No. 1 (the Petty track made the Top Five, the Henley track the Top 10); and by the time she went solo the Mac had already had its sole No. 1 single, &#8220;Dreams&#8221; (one of her songs, natch).</p>
<p>You&#8217;re also right about the power structure in Mac &#8212; after <i>Tusk</i> they were largely Lindsay Buckingham&#8217;s show, with or without the interpersonal dysfunction. So there was a limit to how much weight Nicks could throw around coming back to home base. I&#8217;d half-agree with you about what her solo cred did for the group: she came back powerful on <i>Mirage</i>, and &#8220;Gypsy&#8221; was hugely important to that album (a Nicks song through-and-through that could easily have appeared on <i>The WIld Heart</i>); but she was almost a nonentity on <i>Tango</i>, which is such a Buckingham album. Besides, by &#8216;87, her solo career was well established but pretty dull, and it was sort of a minor miracle <i>Tango</i> happened at all (longest hiatus between Mac albums; by then all three songwriters had scored hit singles/albums). Still, your larger point is totally solid.</p>
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		<title>By: AR</title>
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		<dc:creator>AR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 14:38:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about Stevie Nicks?  I&#039;d say that her solo success was a huge boost to Fleetwood Mac in the 80s -- particularly on the Mirage and Tango in the Night albums.  Without her huge solo following (and that awesome treadmill video for Stand Back that was on heavy rotation on MTV), I&#039;m not sure they would have been able to hold their own in a post-punk music industry. 

That said, given that Fleetwood Mac was a dysfunctional soap opera before her solo career, her solo success didn&#039;t give her any more power over the direction of the band or the participation of the other songwriters/vocalists.  I don&#039;t see Timberlake and Fatone giving each other the silent treatment...JC on the other hand....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about Stevie Nicks?  I&#8217;d say that her solo success was a huge boost to Fleetwood Mac in the 80s &#8212; particularly on the Mirage and Tango in the Night albums.  Without her huge solo following (and that awesome treadmill video for Stand Back that was on heavy rotation on MTV), I&#8217;m not sure they would have been able to hold their own in a post-punk music industry. </p>
<p>That said, given that Fleetwood Mac was a dysfunctional soap opera before her solo career, her solo success didn&#8217;t give her any more power over the direction of the band or the participation of the other songwriters/vocalists.  I don&#8217;t see Timberlake and Fatone giving each other the silent treatment&#8230;JC on the other hand&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Molanphy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Molanphy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Apr 2009 12:41:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-916971&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;DocStrange&lt;/a&gt;: I totally agree -- I reviewed the Peas’ 1998 debut CD for &lt;i&gt;CMJ&lt;/i&gt; back in the day, and while I found them pleasant and gave the disc a decent review, they were ultimately pretty forgettable (and stole more than a few moves from old-school De La Soul). It’s hard to be angry with Fergie for dumbing down and providing hits to a group that was never that great to begin with, although I have met some people who loved them a decade ago and take great offense at her very existence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-916971" rel="nofollow">DocStrange</a>: I totally agree &#8212; I reviewed the Peas’ 1998 debut CD for <i>CMJ</i> back in the day, and while I found them pleasant and gave the disc a decent review, they were ultimately pretty forgettable (and stole more than a few moves from old-school De La Soul). It’s hard to be angry with Fergie for dumbing down and providing hits to a group that was never that great to begin with, although I have met some people who loved them a decade ago and take great offense at her very existence.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Molanphy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Molanphy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Apr 2009 12:31:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-916911&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;chachwitablog&lt;/a&gt; I agree that the single&#039;s mostly a showcase for Fergie (although you don&#039;t hear her voice for almost the first full minute of the song; it&#039;s all will.i.am up to then). But I don&#039;t think this changes the core point: if Fergie were really too big, she wouldn&#039;t have returned to the BEPs at all -- that&#039;s all I&#039;m trying to say above.

For example, could Justin Timberlake return to N* Sync at this point? I don&#039;t mean a take-pity-on-Chasez-and-Fatone reunion tour sometime in 2012; I mean return for real, right now, and record again, and score hits. Clearly not; any pretense of equality the group had before would be gone.

Fergie, OTOH, got huge with her &lt;i&gt;Dutchess&lt;/i&gt; singles but not so huge that it&#039;s implausible for her to come back to home base, Collins-and-Genesis-style. (And it didn&#039;t hurt that the Obama video kept will&#039;s profile high last year, preventing her from eclipsing him. I can&#039;t claim to know how Taboo or Apl.de.Ap feel, though.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-916911" rel="nofollow">chachwitablog</a> I agree that the single&#8217;s mostly a showcase for Fergie (although you don&#8217;t hear her voice for almost the first full minute of the song; it&#8217;s all will.i.am up to then). But I don&#8217;t think this changes the core point: if Fergie were really too big, she wouldn&#8217;t have returned to the BEPs at all &#8212; that&#8217;s all I&#8217;m trying to say above.</p>
<p>For example, could Justin Timberlake return to N* Sync at this point? I don&#8217;t mean a take-pity-on-Chasez-and-Fatone reunion tour sometime in 2012; I mean return for real, right now, and record again, and score hits. Clearly not; any pretense of equality the group had before would be gone.</p>
<p>Fergie, OTOH, got huge with her <i>Dutchess</i> singles but not so huge that it&#8217;s implausible for her to come back to home base, Collins-and-Genesis-style. (And it didn&#8217;t hurt that the Obama video kept will&#8217;s profile high last year, preventing her from eclipsing him. I can&#8217;t claim to know how Taboo or Apl.de.Ap feel, though.)</p>
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		<title>By: DocStrange</title>
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		<dc:creator>DocStrange</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Apr 2009 03:19:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-916911&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;chachwitablog&lt;/a&gt; I keep heard people who are like &quot;you know, before the chick joined, the Black Eyed Peas were a pretty good backpacker hip-hop group&quot;. They weren&#039;t. They were better than they are now, but that&#039;s not saying much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-916911" rel="nofollow">chachwitablog</a> I keep heard people who are like &#8220;you know, before the chick joined, the Black Eyed Peas were a pretty good backpacker hip-hop group&#8221;. They weren&#8217;t. They were better than they are now, but that&#8217;s not saying much.</p>
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		<title>By: chachwitablog</title>
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		<dc:creator>chachwitablog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Apr 2009 14:07:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Fergie, the starlet-turned-accidental-frontwoman, had malleable enough personas to permit them to form solo identities and then bring that brand value back to the group.&quot;

I don&#039;t really buy this. I think that Fergie has eclipsed the black eyed peas. I think &quot;boom boom pow&quot; is a fergie single - at the very least, people are treating it that way and buying/listening accordingly. It&#039;s like will.i.am has traded his soul for some success, or something.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Fergie, the starlet-turned-accidental-frontwoman, had malleable enough personas to permit them to form solo identities and then bring that brand value back to the group.&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t really buy this. I think that Fergie has eclipsed the black eyed peas. I think &#8220;boom boom pow&#8221; is a fergie single &#8211; at the very least, people are treating it that way and buying/listening accordingly. It&#8217;s like will.i.am has traded his soul for some success, or something.</p>
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		<title>By: DocStrange</title>
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		<dc:creator>DocStrange</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Apr 2009 00:10:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-916701&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Steve M. Lepore&lt;/a&gt; And apparently, Anberlin is looking to be next week&#039;s #1. Probably not for long before Incubus or 311 or Green Day or (please?) Silversun Pickups knocks it off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-916701" rel="nofollow">Steve M. Lepore</a> And apparently, Anberlin is looking to be next week&#8217;s #1. Probably not for long before Incubus or 311 or Green Day or (please?) Silversun Pickups knocks it off.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve M. Lepore</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve M. Lepore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 22:40:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Next week&#039;s rock chart will be tons more interesting with Green Day debuting, and Incubus and 311 likely bumping into the Top 5/10.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Next week&#8217;s rock chart will be tons more interesting with Green Day debuting, and Incubus and 311 likely bumping into the Top 5/10.</p>
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		<title>By: bcapirigi</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 20:27:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;(Of course, to you Collins-haters out there, he and the Ferg are probably just two forms of schlock-making evil.)&lt;/i&gt;
Yes.  Though &quot;Invisible Touch&quot; (in his case) and &quot;Clumsy&quot; (in hers) make them both not totally irredeemable.

That Careless Whisper cover, on the other hand, makes me want to die and/or listen to the Gossip version instead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>(Of course, to you Collins-haters out there, he and the Ferg are probably just two forms of schlock-making evil.)</i><br />
Yes.  Though &#8220;Invisible Touch&#8221; (in his case) and &#8220;Clumsy&#8221; (in hers) make them both not totally irredeemable.</p>
<p>That Careless Whisper cover, on the other hand, makes me want to die and/or listen to the Gossip version instead.</p>
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