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Grown Man Discovers That Cultural Relevance Changes With Passage Of Time, Bottom Drops Out Of Universe

Christ almighty, what is this, "parade your hoary cultural/critical cliches around the Internet with shamefully unashamed candor" day? In this Onion A.V. Club blog post, Nathan Rabin willfully flops around in a generation gap that he at least recognizes, but that wise people refuse to wallow in, as he watches some old Tom Synder interview with John Lydon and asks, where have they gone, those "ostensibly edgy" and "dangerous acts" of his youth:



This made me feel old. I couldn't help but think about how the ostensibly edgy or dangerous acts that followed all struck me as gimmicky and fake, not unlike the way my dad and Tom Snyder saw Lydon. Prodigy just seemed like Lydon vocals + pummeling electronic beats. 50 Cent just seems like a mumbly 2Pac wannabe (boy he devolved into lazy, complacent self-caricature pretty quickly, didn't he?) Marilyn Manson = David Bowie + Alice Cooper. I can't recall the last time I listened to an Eminem album for non-work reasons.

So here's my question for you, dear reader. Do we revere people like NWA or The Sex Pistols in no small part because history has codified them as important, relevant, seminal artists? How big a role does nostalgia and hindsight play in determining what we hold dear to our hearts and what we dismiss as empty shock? Will future generations revere 50 Cent the way we admire Notorious B.I.G or 2Pac? Will our children marvel that we don't consider Fallout Boy major artists? Will we look like Snyder-like Neanderthals to our kids? Who do you consider Lydon's legitimate heirs in antagonizing parents and liberating kids? Can't we all just not get along?

Well Nate, there are a few possibilities here. One is that "edgy" and "dangerous" are pretty pisspoor criteria for "relevance" (assuming you mean "cultural relevance" here, not "relevant to me and hopefully to you if I can explain what I get out of it") for anybody old enough to have an after-school job, let alone someone who gets paid to assess the merits of pop culture, and that's not even getting into why the idea of "relevance" is a bunch of dead-end jive to begin with, especially in a time of fractured consensus, merciless niche marketing, etc etc. (C'mon man, these are hardly new ideas I'm even lobbing around here, this is straight first-year subjectivity, and a good argument for some sort of Maury Povich-style rock-critic boot camp to instill basic life skills.)

Another is that, yes, as anyone with even a minor grasp of how post-WWII pop culture (that's 62 fucking years to draw from now, just FYI, and just to keep things within the last century or so) has worked should know that "relevance" is, and always will be, subject to constant, now almost instantaneous (thanks Internet) revisionism, thanks to all kinds of unforseeable extra-musical elements (shifting mores, political climate, aesthetic turnarounds, blah blah), which makes sitting around and worrying about/trying to guess the future "relevance" of a band a waste of time on the level taking bets on the weather patterns during hurricane season. (Exploring their impact now is whole 'nother bag, and an important part of cultural criticism.)

Third is that, from an early age, kids should be shamed out of wielding music for its shock value against adults pre-assumed to be squares because of because they differ on something as essentially trivial what (musically) annoys them, so they don't end up aging bloggers wondering where all the heroes have gone, those emotionally-stunted grown folks who once made teenagers feel better by having the courage to say dumb/offensive shit in public.

Revisiting The Generation Gap [A.V. Club]

1:00 PM on Tue Oct 9 2007
By jharv
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  • His argument is obvsly cretinous for the reasons you suggest, but I think his main feeling still stands: why does so much contemporary pop music feel so safe? It's the main difference between the 90s and now. Pop music used to be much more combative and progressive, and although this is hardly the only reason to like pop music, it does feel like our current decade, for all of its glories, is lacking in this respect.

    That being said, there was a lot of terrible music in the 90s (and the 60s and in the punk era) that was simply combative, and its been a boon to pop music in this decade that we've been willing to see the greatness in the non-combative, the manufactured and the pure pop.

  • I think Rabin, whose reviews I've always liked, raises some important questions and I can't seem to understand why your response is so vitriolic. Sure, his questions could have benefited from a more sophisticated framework but when you put the edge/danger/relevance concerns aside, there is still something there. There are a good many seemingly progressive twenty and thirtysomething layfolk and critics whose orientation towards the music favored by tweens and teens is unwittingly Snyderesque. How is that not worthy of discussion?

  • I'm really sick of the "Gen X discovers this thing called a 'generation gap'" trend pieces lately. They're everywhere! And it's even more annoying because they're all self-conscious and ironical and stuff.

    These kinds of things are 1000x worse than yr average 100 worst whatevers list, as previously discussed. Especially when John Lydon is invoked. It's like everyone's conveniently forgotten what a FUCKING CONSTRUCT the Sex Pistols were.

    (Also, nice tag. Thanks, Tom Waits.)

  • And yet so much more of today's music features curses and explicit sex/violence talk, even as it sounds safer and safer. My theory on that is that profanity only works in art if it's shocking, and it's no longer shocking.

  • See: The Black Lips

  • @The Mozfather: @jb: i completely disagree. no decade or generation can claim less or more vacuous pop music. the only difference is that we are inundated with the trite shit of our current generation whereas we've, thank the lord, been able to forget about such bullshit from other generations. you guys and mr. rabin just sound like grumpy old farts.

  • @iantenna: You obvsly don't understand what I'm saying. I'm not saying quality has declined at all. I'm saying the idiom has shifted, and that the 90s idiom was more combative and progressive, and that this brought benefits as well as negatives. The mere fact of manufactured pop music used to be a symbol of a deadly conformism; now we don't necessarily believe that, and it has enriched our listening experiences. But we've lost a lot of the anger and desire for social change that used to propel a lot of popular music, and I do think this is a genuine loss.

  • People tend to forget just how much utter shite populated the music of their youth. It's very easy to look back on musical history and say "wow, all music today sucks, while all the music from my day was good and awesome and edgy!"

    Reality is, for every D.A.F. there was also a herd of Stacey Q's. For every Sex Pistols, there was a Starland Vocal Band. We just choose to forget those.

  • I don't really get the vitriol about this piece, which seems kind of harmless.

  • @nulldevice: Is it time to drag out the Tom the Dancing Bug comic "Everything Was Better When You Were Twelve" again?

  • I think it is.

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