<![CDATA[The Washington Post Takes Aim At Musical "Sellouts" - Idolator Comments]]> http://cache.gawker.com/assets/base/img/thumbs140x140/idolator.com.png <![CDATA[The Washington Post Takes Aim At Musical "Sellouts" - Idolator Comments]]> http://idolator.com Tue, 16 Oct 2007 08:50:06 EDT Tue, 16 Oct 2007 08:50:06 EDT http://idolator.com/tunes/sacred-cows/the-washington-post-takes-aim-at-musical-sellouts-310737.php <![CDATA[The Washington Post Takes Aim At Musical "Sellouts"]]> http://idolator.com/tunes/sacred-cows/the-washington-post-takes-aim-at-musical-sellouts-310737.php#c2670348 The boomer b'day cutoff isn't set in stone. I've seen it set as late as 1965. And, um, WaPo? "Imagine" is already used to shill for Lennono, Inc. So much for a Standard Of Purity.

clarknhilldale

]]> 33:310737:c2670348 Tue, 16 Oct 2007 08:50:06 EDT <![CDATA[The Washington Post Takes Aim At Musical "Sellouts"]]> http://idolator.com/tunes/sacred-cows/the-washington-post-takes-aim-at-musical-sellouts-310737.php#c2664561 So, I've done the math, and apparently Moby has a Moby Quotient of approximately 6.02e23. I smell a new conspiracy theory...

KinetiQ

]]> 33:310737:c2664561 Mon, 15 Oct 2007 16:42:53 EDT <![CDATA[The Washington Post Takes Aim At Musical "Sellouts"]]> http://idolator.com/tunes/sacred-cows/the-washington-post-takes-aim-at-musical-sellouts-310737.php#c2664396 It seems like "selling out" would only be a bad thing if the artist in question began to focus so singlemindedly on commercials and such that the quality of his/hers/their artistic output suffered. I think this is what Bill Brown was talking about, especially considering what he says right after the bit that you guys quoted. Also, I think this is what they are saying about Moby-- that the quality of his subsequent work actually decreased as a result of his first exposure to commercial success.

blobby

]]> 33:310737:c2664396 Mon, 15 Oct 2007 16:33:02 EDT <![CDATA[The Washington Post Takes Aim At Musical "Sellouts"]]> http://idolator.com/tunes/sacred-cows/the-washington-post-takes-aim-at-musical-sellouts-310737.php#c2661866 Dylan sold out when he went electric.
/boomer idealist


Rory B. Bellows

]]> 33:310737:c2661866 Mon, 15 Oct 2007 14:06:20 EDT <![CDATA[The Washington Post Takes Aim At Musical "Sellouts"]]> http://idolator.com/tunes/sacred-cows/the-washington-post-takes-aim-at-musical-sellouts-310737.php#c2660756 Everyone pretty much has to sell at some point, I think.

The HZA.

]]> 33:310737:c2660756 Mon, 15 Oct 2007 13:00:21 EDT <![CDATA[The Washington Post Takes Aim At Musical "Sellouts"]]> http://idolator.com/tunes/sacred-cows/the-washington-post-takes-aim-at-musical-sellouts-310737.php#c2660353 Agreed on the "frequency" issue. Even though Feist is shooting up the charts, I can't remember the last time I saw non-indie people get so angry: at a bar, watching baseball, ipod nano commercial, 200 people sigh and curse and grunt and try to drink away the sound of the sequins rubbing betwixt Feist's legs.

Paperboy 2000

]]> 33:310737:c2660353 Mon, 15 Oct 2007 12:29:43 EDT <![CDATA[The Washington Post Takes Aim At Musical "Sellouts"]]> http://idolator.com/tunes/sacred-cows/the-washington-post-takes-aim-at-musical-sellouts-310737.php#c2660192 If I were a musician licensing out my music, I would fight for some sort of "frequency cap" or something, lest your song get played one, two, three, four-million times too many. I know there's money in each individual spin but too much play is detrimental.

janine

]]> 33:310737:c2660192 Mon, 15 Oct 2007 12:17:14 EDT <![CDATA[The Washington Post Takes Aim At Musical "Sellouts"]]> http://idolator.com/tunes/sacred-cows/the-washington-post-takes-aim-at-musical-sellouts-310737.php#c2660063 @jessdolator: Oh, I'm not disagreeing with your point, I'm just saying the term is bandied about willy-nilly and it has a very specific meaning that goes beyond music concerns.

Lucas Jensen

]]> 33:310737:c2660063 Mon, 15 Oct 2007 12:08:03 EDT <![CDATA[The Washington Post Takes Aim At Musical "Sellouts"]]> http://idolator.com/tunes/sacred-cows/the-washington-post-takes-aim-at-musical-sellouts-310737.php#c2660061 @jessdolator: e.g., holding up Imagine, the Stones and Dylan as the pinnacles of sanctity, nonconformity and artistry, respectively.

relaxing

]]> 33:310737:c2660061 Mon, 15 Oct 2007 12:07:51 EDT <![CDATA[The Washington Post Takes Aim At Musical "Sellouts"]]> http://idolator.com/tunes/sacred-cows/the-washington-post-takes-aim-at-musical-sellouts-310737.php#c2659918 It's easy to say you'll never sell out when no one's making any offers.

And, yes, Moby ain't exactly the Arbiter Of Cool these days.

burstlabs

]]> 33:310737:c2659918 Mon, 15 Oct 2007 11:56:08 EDT <![CDATA[The Washington Post Takes Aim At Musical "Sellouts"]]> http://idolator.com/tunes/sacred-cows/the-washington-post-takes-aim-at-musical-sellouts-310737.php#c2659570 The concept of "selling out" no longer exists. I feel that anyone who calls a band a sell out is just some petty loser who is sad that X Band is no longer his little secret. He probably started their street team.

With labels more and more finicky with their talent, it is difficult to begrudge any artist for trying to make as much as he can.

Dead Air ummm Dead Air

]]> 33:310737:c2659570 Mon, 15 Oct 2007 11:29:24 EDT <![CDATA[The Washington Post Takes Aim At Musical "Sellouts"]]> http://idolator.com/tunes/sacred-cows/the-washington-post-takes-aim-at-musical-sellouts-310737.php#c2659490 @Lucas Jensen: fair enough, but at this point i almost feel like "boomer criticism" is shorthand for a long-established ideology to be used by any writers of any age.

Jess Harvell

]]> 33:310737:c2659490 Mon, 15 Oct 2007 11:24:01 EDT <![CDATA[The Washington Post Takes Aim At Musical "Sellouts"]]> http://idolator.com/tunes/sacred-cows/the-washington-post-takes-aim-at-musical-sellouts-310737.php#c2659182 The whole idea is specious. First of all Moby had no credibility long before he licensed all those tracks for commercials. The last time anyone in the dance music world took him seriously was about 1992.

Secondly, everyone who is trying to make a living from music should try and get an agent to place songs in films, TV, and advertising before they even bother with a recording contract or national distribution. Because there's precious little money left in selling CDs, except for the very top tier of commercial artists.

Taking a principled stand against 'selling out' is a tough row to hoe. The only band I know of who actually have done that is Throbbing Gristle, who were way ahead of the curve. They addressed the whole issue a long time ago, when they recognized that there was literally nothing that could be done that couldn't potentially be exploited for commerce, even crawling through broken glass and drinking pee. The only reason Nazi imagery has yet to be used in advertising is that no one has figured out an angle to make it work.

chaircrusher

]]> 33:310737:c2659182 Mon, 15 Oct 2007 10:56:54 EDT <![CDATA[The Washington Post Takes Aim At Musical "Sellouts"]]> http://idolator.com/tunes/sacred-cows/the-washington-post-takes-aim-at-musical-sellouts-310737.php#c2659036 the travesty of it all is that a music writer actually invested time creating that formula and that story in the hopes that they will (wait for it) sell out of newspapers, yeah i said it

loudersoft

]]> 33:310737:c2659036 Mon, 15 Oct 2007 10:45:10 EDT <![CDATA[The Washington Post Takes Aim At Musical "Sellouts"]]> http://idolator.com/tunes/sacred-cows/the-washington-post-takes-aim-at-musical-sellouts-310737.php#c2659025 I agree with this, but I'm kinda tired of reading about "boomer critics." The guy (the "real" Bill Wyman) was born in 1961. That hardly seems baby boomer to me. Most boomers are pushing 60 now, right?

Lucas Jensen

]]> 33:310737:c2659025 Mon, 15 Oct 2007 10:44:40 EDT