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		    <description><![CDATA[<P>This was an outstanding essay.</P>
<P>I'm from Jacksonville, I'm acquainted with Black Kids and all of their members and witnessed their first show. Their first show was bad, to put it mildly, but at the show I witnessed the beginning flicker of a musical flame that all bands begin with. So naturally I conceded that they might be onto something. Then suddenly when they played the CMJ and received hype around the world among the online-elite, I found it oddly puzzling. As a musician in a band of my own, I wondered if there was something I was missing. But it seems very sudden (too sudden) for a band that has been in existence for little more than a year to be receiving such accolaides for what is, in all honesty, something very mediocre. Perhaps that's what our American society has grown to expect in almost everything: stagnant mediocrity. From our schools, businesses, politicians (especially) and now our most precious entity, our music.</P>
<P>I wish nothing but luck and the best for Black Kids. They're certainly riding the wave now, but I fear that the wave is rapidly approaching the underwater reef that will doom its unwary riders to the cold waters of indie-rock oblivion once again.</P>
<P>In today's sound-bite, 30-minute culture, you can almost count on it.</P> <p>themeshuggener</p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<P>Do any of you like rock and metal?????</P> <p>kurt300</p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<p>I knew of Black Kids because my brother is close to some members, and I've known a couple for about 15 years. Mike is right - the show @ Athens popfest was small and at 2PM. The first blog I saw about it was from TullycraftNation.com ( <a href="http://www.corianton.com/tullyblog/2007/08/best-band-at-athens-popfest.html">[www.corianton.com]</a> )and it went from there. I doubt they expected to get hyped so much. I read these articles and find so many inaccuracies, but just like anything, a thumbs up can get the hype machine going. I for one, as a friend and supporter of one of Kevin &amp; Reggies previous semi-sucessful band in 1997 know that they can bring in the crowds and that they know music. They're not really new kids on the block, the band on the whole is though. But, I don't think we need to worry about it. They are aware of the blog hype hence the comment from Reggie in NYC before "Partie Traumatic".</p>
<p>The mashup of all sorts of music is not an accident, Reggie just has an ear for it and apparently puts it in his writing and lyrics. I definitely am not on "what's hot". I'm the guy who would buy a record from iTunes instead of finding it on <a href="http://hypem.com">[hypem.com]</a> (which I just discovered!), and am glad that the hype is overexposing them. Exposure is exposure.</p>
<p>I agree that people rehash things on the internet, but music is personal. If someone hypes it, either they like it, they think someone else might or (insert some other valid reason here). You are essentially telling people to stop liking Black Kids or give them a listen before writing about them. We all know this won't translate into sales, but even critical feedback like this is good in my opinion. I mean, look at the Coat Hangers (the ones being hated on in the comments here) (<a href="http://atlanta.creativeloafing.com/gyrobase/Content?oid=oid%3A295334&amp;comments=yes#comments">[atlanta.creativeloafing.com]</a>)</p>
<p>I live in Atlanta, and according to CL, in a year they've gone "band of girlfriends who couldn't really play their instruments" a year ago, to being hyped on blogs like this. Personally, I think they're crap (saw them at Star Bar and around Cabbagetown in some art gallery, I believe), but people will always hype their scene. It's just how things are. Idolator can't put the cap back on this scene; it's what the scene is about. We like Black Kids. Get over it. :)</p> <p>funkytaco</p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<p>I don't understand why music has to be tight and polished to be appreciated. Granted, the Black Kids are terrible but they're enthusiastic, funny and understand a pop hook... even if they're too young to realize the hooks are derivative.  As its already been said, bands have to start somewhere.</p> <p><a href="http://stopokaygo.typepad.com">stopokaygo</a></p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<p>You think?</p>
<p>Jesus. I've seen more timely rants in college newspapers.</p>
<p>As for:<br>
<i>Whatever the outlet, I spent most of this year writing only about records I loved, under the assumption that life was too short and word counts were too limited to waste time on crap. As a result, I piled up a lot of raves, including raves for a lot of new bands. At the time, it didn't bother me, because I believed in those records and still do, but now I'm not so sure that my all-love tack wasn't just inadvertently feeding into the debasement of popular crit.</i></p>
<p>Lazy, is what it was. The hardest sentence to back up, in the English language, is: "I say no."</p>
<p>As for your love tack, it was feeding into your age at the time. Young (under 35?) writers have the leisure time to listen to more, therefore they love more. They're eager, not as jaded as they'd like to think, and thus as impressionable as the artists making music like that music made by Black Kids. I can't tell you how many albums I loved in the 90s that I haven't listened to in nearly ten years, and won't. I mean, when you have a half hour to blast music each day, do you pick Smashing Pumpkins' first (and really only) album over the Boredoms' <i>Seadrum</i>? The later is the obvious choice.</p>
<p>In other words, start a family or buy a house or take care of a dying parent and see how little time and therefore tolerance you have for the new Jens Lekman album, aka if James Taylor used pro-tools (and I loved Lekman's ep-collection-album). Your tastes get honed, and real fast. In turn fighting the debasement of any crit.</p> <p>Jfrankparnell</p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<P>The Black Kids are still very very new, and to be honest to understand where the hype came from, you would have to been there in Athens on the day where everyone fell in love with them. I put together the Athens POPFEST and had been hearing great things about this band that had never played outside Jacksonville. They would help out bands on my label when they were playing Jacksonville by bringing in a crowd, and giving them places to stay and so on. I checked out the myspace and the songs where there, but the recording wasn't the best. But that Saturday at 2:00 PM during 105 degree heatwave we were having these kids got up on stage and made us all dance, and just have a great time. Sure there were some bloggers at the show, but they were there to just see some new bands, it's not like anyone was soliciting coverage. The Black Kids just put on a great show that day, and people were so excited about it, that they went home and wrote about it. It blew up out of nowhere due to everyone who wasn't at the fest rushing to cover what might be the next big thing. It's great that the Black Kids will get to realy have some great opprotunities come their way now due to the hype, but it's a bit scary to watch a band that could really be the next big thing have to live up to hype that they never really asked for. We asked them to come up and play POPFEST, and 2 PM isn't a great slot, but they played that day opening up the afternoon showcase as if they were playing in front of 1,000 people when maybe they played to 100, as most folks hadn't come in just yet. I hope they can keep it together and not let the hype get to them, but only time will tell. I mean I think before everyone starts dissing them, they should at least let them release a full length. mike</P> <p>hhbtmike</p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<p>The staff of INDIE ROCK BASEBALL.com thanks you deeply.  Best article we've read all year.  Yes, kids, that's IndieRockBaseball.com.</p>
<p>Seriously, your article ruled.  And, no, we haven't actually heard the Black Kids and we don't mind admitting it.</p>
<p>Eternal love,<br>
IndieRockBaseball.com.</p> <p>rapmasterjc</p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[Darnielle has a nice post up at LPTJ re: Jess Harvell's "Overhype" post.  Between discussions on this, Oink, S/FJ (and Carl), the Wasik piece, PGWP, and even countless others, I can't remember there *ever* being a time when there was a mass discussion of the Scene-At-Large on this scale, and that's... <p><a href="http://www.catbirdseat.org/catbirdseat/">Trackback</a></p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[In one of the most provocative pieces of music writing we've read this year, Jess Harvell wonders whether it isn't time to get a little stingier with the hosannas. <p><a href="http://www.lastplanetojakarta.com/">Trackback</a></p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c2747141">Dodge : My Old Kentucky Blog</a>: Dodge, I'll hook you up with an exclusive anytime!</p> <p><a href="http://www.thecropper.com">Big Gray.</a></p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c2739509">janine</a>: Saw the Coathangers last night.  They were much tighter.  And still pretty terrible.  But I'll give them time.  They could be the next X-Ray Spex.  I doubt it, but, hey, weirder things have happened.</p>
<p>If they wrote a song, it'd be nice.</p> <p><a href="http://www.thecropper.com">Big Gray.</a></p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<P>racist</P> <p><a href="http://www.tonyallegretti.com">Duvalian</a></p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<p>word - well said jess. although i'm conflicted - i kind of find "boyfriend" kind of jazzy, but its about time someone raised a point about thinking and absorbing before posting.</p>
<p>rating: 8.6</p>
<p>rating of this comment: 4.3</p> <p>goldsounds</p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[On Progress &amp; Sanctimonious Douchebags by Alex Carnevale Whenever you dig in the meat of a comments section on the Oink file sharing network shutdown, you inevitably get to the prick portion:  You Stole. <p><a href="http://thisrecording.wordpress.com">Trackback</a></p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[Black Kids: your new worst enemies  Something unexpected happened to me at CMJ this year: I was moved. It very nearly didn't happen, and it was over within a couple of minutes, but it felt something like a miracle. <p><a href="http://www.villagevoice.com/blogs/statusainthood/">Trackback</a></p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[AHHHHH MAHHHH GAWWWW BOOOOOYS! by Molly Lambert Indie Rock and Comedy go together like Pinkabet and Bagoog Monamon. First Superchunk drummer Jon Wurster teamed up with Monk creator Tom Scharpling to create longform call-in improv brilliance on The Best Show on WFMU (more on them later this week). <p><a href="http://thisrecording.wordpress.com">Trackback</a></p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<p>Last words?</p>
<p>@<a href="#c2741083">maura</a>: OMG, The Coathangers are totes THE WORST. Utterly terrible. Really.</p>
<p>@<a href="#c2746553">lastclearchance</a>: I'm telling you people, this whole Oink thing kind of couldn't come at a better time.</p>
<p>@<a href="#c2747141">Dodge : My Old Kentucky Blog</a>: The dominance (and struggle for exclusives and readers) of Stereogum (Corporate) and the Forkcast has done more to singlehandedly destroy the former cozy homespun DIY world of music blogging than any other single factor. Really.</p> <p><a href="http://therichgirlsareweeping.blogspot.com">the rich girls are weeping</a></p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<P>quick thoughts...good read and great food for thought. it is exhausting be a blogger/music fan trying to keep up in the internet era. entertaining your audience on a daily basis is a pressure-filled and occasionally fun-sucking gig.</P>
<P>i like Mike A's attitude about falling a little out of touch to be happy with music again. i wonder if i could do it.</P>
<P>i think blogs don't lose credibility/trustworthiness for only focusing on the positive if we keep in perspective that they are just blogs...started for the enjoyment of music and being a fan. the fact that some blogs have picked up large audiences can't wholly be used against them...I mean, most are just doing what they were doing when they first started. one of the big problems is the PR machine that now infects everything internet related. most savvy blog readers are aware of it and have become more and more cynical and skeptical of what their favorite bloggers are writing. Pitchfork and Stereogum fight it out for exclusives, and based on their traffic and relationships, they've pretty much taken over that market. the competition for these exclusives has led to a lot of watered down hype surrounding most of them.</P>
<P>i think the fact that the more powerful/respected media outlets are paying more attention to the blogosphere and jumping on the bandwagon at times is what really expands most of the problems discussed here.</P> <p><a href="http://myoldkentuckyblog.com">Dodge : My Old Kentucky Blog</a></p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<p><i>As for what to "do" about it, well, you've got me.</i></p>
<p>Take down oink?</p> <p>lastclearchance</p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<P>@<A href="http://idolator.com/tunes/you.ve-got-to-be-kidding/an-idolator-real-talk-special-report-the-black-kids-hype-must-be-stopped-313517.php#c2736207">therichgirlsareweeping</A>: Nail, head, etc. If it's impossible to stop the carnage, let's just sit back and let the medics sort things out.</P> <p><a href="http://kingricksolomon.blogspot.com">Bob Loblaw</a></p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[In Esquire, Chuck Klosterman explores the ramifications of ignoring the Harry Potter phenomenon.  I haven't read any of the books about him, nor have I seen any of the movies. I know the novels were written by a rich middle-aged British woman named J. K. <p><a href="http://blog.largeheartedboy.com/">Trackback</a></p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<P>I have to agree with therichgirls re: slow processing of music.</P>
<P>Maybe it's due to advancing age, maybe it's due to living in the very Middle America that takes such a beating in this post, but sometime in the past couple of years I recognized "keeping up" to be futile at best, damaging at worst. Now I listen to reissues and check out new stuff at my own pace. The result? I'm way behind the curve, but I'm once again able to discover music for MYSELF, at my own pace, rather than worry about being current or not. Result: I haven't loved music so much in years.</P>
<P>I recommend falling slightly out of touch, folks. It really does make music fun again.</P> <p><a href="http://djearlybird.blogspot.com">mike a</a></p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<p>Excellent points, but doesn't all this hype just mean that the American music press is turning into the British music press, which (due mostly to two competing weekly music magazines, which meant a lot of space to fill) has been hyping barely-formed bands for decades now? If I remember right, the original Strokes hype all came out of the UK, and the NME and the Guardian are both already giving Black Kids some love. Sure, this has resulted in some promising bands collapsing under the strain in Britain, but it's also produced some great bands, too.</p> <p>MrStarhead</p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<p>You know . . . making an argument that has a specific target within a specific realm <i>does not</i> (repeat: does not) de facto obliterate every other thing that doesn't fall into that realm. If it doesn't apply to every band out there, that's OK. Middle America may not care about this stuff, but that doesn't make it "potentially irrelevant" anymore than talking about middle-American stuff that coastal folks don't care about makes <i>that</i> "irrelevant," either. Relevancies differ and vary. Different problems, different solutions. Plus-and, not either-or.</p> <p><a href="http://m-matos.blogspot.com">Michaelangelo Matos</a></p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<P>@<A href="#c2738279">hotshot</A>: Amen! As a fellow music writer/lover who lives in a city/state where there are more cover bands than original ones playing on any given night (and even fewer original ones from out of town), I think you rightly point out the potential irrelevance of this whole argument, especially to Middle Americans.</P>
<P>BUT, I think flyover towns see a smaller-scale hype effect that may have something to do with blogs and/or Pitchfork...earlier this year, I saw Cold War Kids and Tokyo Police Club play a sold-out show on a Monday night at our local "indie" club, followed the next night by a v. v. sparsely attended show by the (less hyped but still P'fork-approved) Black Angels. I'm talking sparse like...15 people. I also observed a prepubescent crowd freaking out at the same club when Matt &amp; Kim opened for The High Strung (remember them, the Pitchfork hater-baiters?), then saw at least 75% of them leave immediately after Matt &amp; Kim stepped off the stage.</P>
<P>I racked my brain trying to figure out if all these kids were reading Pitchfork/BV/Stereogum and forwarding links to each other or making mix tapes and trading them around or what, because where were they when Shellshag, another (better) upbeat, punkish boy/girl-couple duo from NYC, played here? Certainly not at the show...because no one was there except the promoter and his wife.</P>
<P>Does anyone else see this happening in their podunk towns, too? Have you noticed any heavily blogged-about bands drawing big crowds that surprised you? Or bands you expected to pack a club not coming close? Hell, even Broken Social Scene didn't sell out their show here last year...</P> <p>prolixrush</p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c2739509">janine</a>: Oh man, the Coathangers are <i>terrible</i>, and I say this as someone who was really excited when I first heard about them. But their music is just ... awful! In every way! It made me long for the musicianship of, I dunno, Raooul or Skinned Teen. And it really really bummed me out when I saw them highly touted as a "chick band to watch" [tm my personal dead horses].</p> <p><a href="http://idolator.com/">Maura Johnston</a></p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<P>Good, intense salvo, Jess.</P>
<P>The current affection for blog-fed hype is expected for a new medium. When something is brand-new under the sun in the media, a lot of people and media tastemakers see nothing but gold in it. But the overpraise of music blogs' influence will pass over time (crossing my fingers and lighting many prayer candles at the cathedral). A lot of bloggers produce the illusion that 10 of them endorsing a band is equvilent to a million people endorsing the band. Last year's blog-fueled "Snakes on a Plane" hype had sunk the movie and Hollywood realized that its "cult" following was actually tiny but had very loud voices. What's interesting about the rise of music blogs is that they may soon possibly level the playing field with the print publications, if not one-up print pubs since blogs are free and more accessible. And as many posters mentioned, one professional critic's opinion would be no more relevant than a bedroom blogger's. That would not be the end of music criticism, but the arena would be overcrowded and noisy as hell.</P> <p>Cam/ron</p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c2737213">gorillavsbear</a>: If you define critical as, "exercising or involving judgment or judicious evaluation," then it's the only value-add you have.</p>
<p>I do think it's a niche problem that's exacerbated by the fact that (present company maybe excepted) no one has a clear idea of what a critic's supposed to do. Is the role to make buyers' recommendations or interpret or contextualize or simply deliver the new to an audience or what... Print and internet critics are just some folk with opinions, though most readers need for opinions to be set in stone. The good writing, even the bad writing, is there to have a dialog with. Ideally, it wouldn't matter who was getting overly hyped, because even hype is an interesting thing to consider.</p>
<p>Have you heard the Coathangers out of Atlanta? Possibly an even better example than the Black Kids... they effin' blow.</p> <p>janine</p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c2738785">the_j</a>: you're right. we <a href="http://idolator.com/tunes/second-spin/disco-angels-brokebacks-and-skoozbots-oh-my-313454.php">hate</a> <a href="http://idolator.com/tunes/videodrone/tegan-and-sara-hop-on-the-couch-313546.php">everything</a> <a href="http://idolator.com/tunes/idolator-at-cmj/the-best-and-worst-of-day-four-313188.php">that's</a> <a href="http://idolator.com/tunes/videodrone/because-its-always-nice-to-have-an-excuse-to-post-swervedriver-312982.php">out</a> <a href="http://idolator.com/tunes/listening-station/the-best-mousse+shilling-song-youll-hear-all-day-312426.php">there</a>.</p> <p><a href="http://idolator.com/">Maura Johnston</a></p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<p>WAAAH WHY YOU MAKE US THIKN AND RAED LIKE GWOAN-UPS JESS????/?</p> <p><a href="http://m-matos.blogspot.com">Michaelangelo Matos</a></p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c2738785">the_j</a>: If that's true, THE_J, then congrats Idolators, you've done it!  You've become an actual Nick Denton Gawker Media blog proper.</p> <p><a href="http://www.catbirdseat.org">Catbirdseat</a></p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<p>What happened to being brief, guys? Sheesh.</p>
<p>And does Idolator like anything anymore? Every single headline is negative and cynical these days.</p> <p><a href="http://www.myspace.com/jasonhowlin">the_j</a></p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<P>Nice job, Jess.  I feel your exhaustion/discouragement/befuddlement/etc.</P> <p>jfury</p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<P>For the record, I kinda dig the Cure vibe Black Kids is putting out there. And I really dig Arcade Fire, too (sorry, THERICHGIRLSAREWEEPING, if that makes me so 2005, even though they put out an album this year...)</P>
<P>But I work as a critic in this industry, in a town with very little live music, reporting on most of this junk from the very afar, sitback position at the moment. So what do I know.</P>
<P>Well, I know that it's insane to try and keep up with it. And, in most cases, it's not worth it. I can pretty much guarantee that none of my readers know who Black Kids is. And I can pretty much guarantee that if they were to come to my town, they would hardly sell 100 tix at their show - even if I were to give them a flattering preview write-up. (Daughtry, meanwhile, set a record as the fastest sell-out in town history earlier this year. Surprise? Hardly.)</P>
<P>This is not a Middle America problem. This is a critic/music nerd/blogger issue that, really, is a matter of little or no consequence to anyone but us. Is the Black Kids playing at CMJ any different than, say, a band playing SXSW? Not really. Because I would venture to say that Middle America has no idea what SXSW or CMJ means. And the scary part to all of this is that they're the ones out there buying the records. The people I know who are genuinely interested in music tend to download their music illegally.</P>
<P>And what do these music-interested people say when asked what type of music they listen to? Like I say, they say "indie rock." Why? Because it's an easy umbrella to put things under for non-music fans and it generally doesn't draw the same confused response as "Well, right now, I have this song stuck in my head by this crescendo-building sometimes-Springsteen-like kinda orchestral baroque pop band out of Canada."</P> <p><a href="http://csindy.com">hotshot</a></p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<p>Jess = agonized, pseudo-intellectual, tiresome.</p>
<p>cut it out. it's a blog. amuse us, blogger!</p> <p>C.R.E.A.M.</p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<p>I'm not sure what all these words are about, but I really like that "I'm Not Gonna Teach Your Boyfriend How to Dance With You" or whatever.</p> <p>Peg Entwistle</p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<p>Every jort wearing douche in Jacksonville is huffing these guys (and gals) collective dong big-time!<br>
And that's not just speculation-- i live here.</p> <p>Aquemini</p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c2737578">Pop Cesspool</a>: OMG, did you notice, Black Kids killed all the Vampire Weekend buzz!??!! Now, there's an upside to this after all!</p> <p><a href="http://therichgirlsareweeping.blogspot.com">the rich girls are weeping</a></p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<p>Can you do this for Vampire Weekend, too?</p> <p><a href="http://www.popcesspool.net">Pop Cesspool</a></p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<P>@<A href="http://idolator.com/tunes/you.ve-got-to-be-kidding/an-idolator-real-talk-special-report-the-black-kids-hype-must-be-stopped-313517.php#c2737213">gorillavsbear</A>: <BR>"are you saying that when a blog isn't critical, then by default, it isn't being honest?"</P>
<P>I know the question wasn't directed at me, but my own response is that when a blog isn't being critical, it isn't <I>trustworthy</I>.</P>
<P>@<A href="http://idolator.com/tunes/you.ve-got-to-be-kidding/an-idolator-real-talk-special-report-the-black-kids-hype-must-be-stopped-313517.php#c2737144">therichgirlsareweeping</A>: <BR>Honestly I think the first mistake many people make(including me, even within this very post), is even deigning to attach a word like "critic" to "blogs," as if writing words about bands is equivalent to being a music critic (amatuer or not). There are blogs--maybe they're popular, maybe they're not--that are simply nothing more than <I>fans</I>. You can't fault them for that, though their thoughts on music are ultimately not very interesting to me.</P>
<P>Part of the problem is that, because blogs are inherently a medium that requires the ability to write--even if only "listen to this!"--people let any old blog with words on it (rather than thought)somehow dictate the trends. And then we start griping about the state of "criticism."</P></BR></BR> <p><a href="http://prettygoeswithpretty.typepad.com">scott pgwp</a></p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c2737213">gorillavsbear</a>: oh geez. no, I'm not saying that. I don't like blanket statements like that. while I do think that there are blogs who aren't critical and aren't honest, I don't think the two are mutually exclusive. and I'm not trying to pick a fight with you - you're good at what you do, you're on top of your shit and I respect you for that. look, we've all had all of these conversations on the elbo.ws board about good reviews vs. bad reviews and blog fandom and bloggers trying to be serious critics etc etc etc. my opinions were probably better voiced on there - clearly all I'm doing in these comments is putting my foot in my mouth, so I'm stopping right here.</p> <p><a href="http://www.t-sides.com">taylorklong</a></p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c2737213">gorillavsbear</a>: I hate to be this way, but a lot of blogging is heavy on the sin of omission -- that is, it's nearly 100% positive.</p>
<p>That being said, on the other hand, you can say the same of a good number of print outlets, and if anyone believes that print journalism doesn't depend on cronyism and PR, they are very naive.</p> <p><a href="http://therichgirlsareweeping.blogspot.com">the rich girls are weeping</a></p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<P>@<A href="http://idolator.com/tunes/you.ve-got-to-be-kidding/an-idolator-real-talk-special-report-the-black-kids-hype-must-be-stopped-313517.php#c2736887">taylor t-sides</A>: hey! i never wield a pen or a notebook. and just so i'm clear, are you saying that when a blog isn't critical, then by default, it isn't being honest?</P> <p><a href="http://gorillavsbear.net">gorillavsbear</a></p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c2736649">pgwp</a>: Oh, dear. I wasn't really trying to take the cop-out escape hatch. Promise! But there is a certain amount of joy in watching social darwinism at work in the music scene. I think what's really frustrating for me is that everyone's to blame: fanboys/girls who want to be the next Lester Bangs, every crummy 12-member band who wants to be the Next Big Thing, music execs who want to leverage blog hype into their marketing efforts, and the marketing people who work for both. It's a terrible deafening echo chamber of horrors.</p>
<p>I've put aside blogging for the past few months, and it's one of the wisest things I've done in ages. I'm working on a way to carry the levity and slow-processing of print music writing back into my blogging -- and others' too. Who knows if I'll be successful, however. We'll see. (I'm hoping to be like the slow movement recently toward organic food, or something like that. Stop and listen to the music! How quaint, huh?) I'll be like Susan Powter, y'all: STOP THE INSANITY. Go listen to that Pylon rerelease and repent for all your bloghype sins!</p>
<p>(BTW, I didn't attend a SINGLE CMJ event -- not a one! --  and I'm totally okay with that!)</p> <p><a href="http://therichgirlsareweeping.blogspot.com">the rich girls are weeping</a></p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<p>'writing about what you love' - that is i think the biggest fallacy that's affecting criticism right now (not just music, but all over the place). that's precisely not what criticism is about. to my mind it seems like the internet as a space for criticism in the form of blogs,online zines, etc. have steered it in that direction. who knows why, maybe the egocentricity associated associated with the internet to begin with (MYspace, etc.) makes people more inclined to view their role as a critic as more of a cheerleader than anything else. then again, critics shouldn't necessarily focus on just what's good or just what's bad, but on what piece of music provides them with the most interesting things to say, whether that be about music or culture in general. wilson's new 33 1/3 book on celine dion is a good example. that book series made everyone assume it was music critics simply blowing their load on their favorite albums. wilson on the other hand used it as a forum to vet his views on music and culture more generally and i'm sure people just assumed he was positioning himself with some ironical cache by throwing platitudes in dion's direction.</p> <p>sleuthee</p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<p>oy, I didn't mean to sound so bitchy up there - look, plain and simple my point is that there ARE honest blogs out there, there ARE critical blogs out there, you just have to look a little harder for them, that's all. it's not fair to write off every blogger as a gvsb/music slut/stereogum wannabe, pen-and-notebook wielding fanboy/girl with a boner for the next big up-and-coming band. that's just not the case. 's all I'm sayin'.</p> <p><a href="http://www.t-sides.com">taylorklong</a></p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c2736473">Matthew Perpetua</a>:</p>
<p>I meant that if this was a pre internet time, Nickleback's sales would be even higher than they are now and that Black Kids doesn't get downloaded for free one tenth as much as Nickleback gets downloaded ilegally.  Anyway, who really cares about Knickleback or what I think anyway? I thought this was about how much bloggers suck.  Ehh.  F*ing bloggers.</p> <p><a href="http://">jmb112485</a></p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<P>This is why my life-long interest in music has finally waned in the last two years. Critics single out every band as great, therefore you don't know which opinions to trust, especially as I feel you have to live with an album for a while before you can honestly judge it.</P>
<P>I must admit, when I first finally heard the White Stripes after a long period of hype-frenzy, I pissed myself laughing. It had to be a put-on, right?</P>
<P>I'd single them out as possessing the biggest gap between talent and ability, and the critical accolades that are piled upon them, but then I heard Art Brut, (who are a perfect illustration of this story, since they seem to have been Pumped and Dumped by Bloggers).</P>
<P>Modern indie rock is dire enough that it has me questioning 80's indie rock, and discovering bands like R.E.M. weren't that great either - they just happened to sound better than 80's mainstream rock, which was particularly putrid at the time.</P> <p>HomefrontRadio</p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<P>P.S. Saying "I've never read Ear Farm before" should not be construed as some kind of a snotty diss towards the site. (We obviously agree about <I>one</I> thing at least.) There's a lot of blogs to miss, but as Mr. Fennessey pointed out above, it's part of our job to keep up.</P> <p>Jess Harvell</p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<p>If it's any consolation, I neither know who the Black Kids are, nor do I give a rat's pecker.</p> <p>heyzeus</p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<P>@<A href="http://idolator.com/tunes/you.ve-got-to-be-kidding/an-idolator-real-talk-special-report-the-black-kids-hype-must-be-stopped-313517.php#c2736207">therichgirlsareweeping</A>:</P>
<P>Some of what you say here is true - i.e., it likely is only those of us who are truly <I>trying</I> to keep up that are pissed about how fast things move. But I can't stand it when people--especially bloggers--say "train's already moving, let's just see where it takes us. Can't do anything about it." The issue at hand is not bands, it's <I>bloggers</I>. Any blogger--even Idolator, even Brooklyn Vegan, even you--could chill out just a little and think about their effect on the very music they care about. What their current effect is and what their potential could be. That's exactly what Jess has done in this post and it's most welcome.</P>
<P>The whole issue at hand today is that music and its consumption is dictated by its fans (after all, that's what 90% of bloggers really are, nothing more or less). So for the fans--especially those obsessed enough to try their hand at tastemaking--to claim "that's just how it is, let's see how others adapt," well, that's bullshit.</P> <p><a href="http://prettygoeswithpretty.typepad.com">scott pgwp</a></p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c2735632">jordan_s</a>: re: "the problem isn't that jess- or other anti-bloggers- don't read "good crit blogs," it's that most likely no one (meaning anyone form 0-50 ppl, obv. a gagillion times less than stereogum or gvb or whatever) reads these "good crit blogs," therefore their impact is minimal at best and kind of worthless to this discussion."</p>
<p>well, I wasn't pointing the finger single-handedly at Jess and/or Idolator. and you've basically enforced what I said, which is that no one reads the good crit blogs so their impact is minimal. that's the problem.  for the most part, the blogs that get the attention are the shit ones that post press releases and pictures and are all "sup, here's the next big thing." it's kind of like the problem with the bands - the crap gets brought to the surface thanks to hype. but I think that's just the sad truth with a lot of indie consumers - they're a lot more concerned with the next big thing rather than the next good thing. they want to be able to say "oh I saw them before they were big" or "oh, I heard that album 3 months ago." anyone who's been to Bowery Ballroom in the last 6 months and seen it turn into a place where people talk over music instead of pay attention to it will have an idea of what I mean. still, you wouldn't write off independent music just because some crap band gets attention, so you shouldn't write off blogs just because some of them are more concerned about quantity of posts rather than quality.</p>
<p>@<a href="#c2736207">therichgirlsareweeping</a>: "ee, and I thought Pareles' pieces was full of subtle back-biting and gently bitchy backhanded compliments -- in a GOOD way. Like, in an "OH BLOGGERS, YOU'RE SO PROBLEMATIC!" kind of way. With a side order of knowing chuckle." YES. This is his humor a lot of the time, and I do think there's some of that in there. He's often rather passive aggressive in his disdain.</p>
<p>@<a href="#c2735148">jessdolator</a>: sorry for mixing up your gender. my name is Taylor (and I'm a lady), so I know how that goes.</p> <p><a href="http://www.t-sides.com">taylorklong</a></p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<P>@<A href="#c2734612">taylor t-sides</A>: I will admit that I had never heard of Ear Farm before (I suppose my blogging liscense should be revoked) and I just read the Black Kids post, which is <A href="http://earfarm.blogspot.com/2007/10/black-kids-r-bar-19-october-2007.html">available for any interested parties to compare and contras...</A>, since apparently their commenters now feel I "stole" this post from them because they beat me to skepticism over Black Kids by 12 hours and we raised some similar points.</P> <p>Jess Harvell</p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<p>I mean, even if somehow the actual audience of Black Kids is equal to the number of people paying for a Nickelback record that came out several years/months ago, isn't the point that THAT audience cares enough to pay for the music? I mean, the Black Kids thing is kind of a bad example -- you can't buy their music unless maybe they are selling cds at shows -- but this conversation is primarily about artists who have a fanbase who tend to be unwilling to spend money at all on the records they enjoy.</p> <p><a href="http://www.fluxblog.org">Matthew Perpetua</a></p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<p>"Yeah, but record sales are still waaaaay down overall and if you think that Black Kids got more downloads since they put their music up on MySpace than Nickleback got in the last hour you are very mistaken."</p>
<p>Are you SURE? Where the hell are you getting your numbers? Like, do you mean the cumulative number of downloads Black Kids got since Pitchfork got a hold of them vs. how much Nickelback sold since 4 PM EST on Oct 22 2007? Uh, maybe????????</p>
<p>"the world passes by in a flash / from the birth of the earth / to the curse of your desperate math"</p> <p><a href="http://www.fluxblog.org">Matthew Perpetua</a></p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<p>See, and I thought Pareles' pieces was full of subtle back-biting and gently bitchy backhanded compliments -- in a GOOD way. Like, in an "OH BLOGGERS, YOU'RE SO PROBLEMATIC!" kind of way. With a side order of knowing chuckle.</p>
<p>Jess, keep that fire in your belly -- I'm too tired and too old and too bored to care about how the indie rock blogosphere is killing baby bands. What I'm interested to see who can adapt and evolve in this insane environment. Because, dearest, take a look around. It's too late to stop the speeding train. Let's sit back and see who doesn't get pulverized, yeah? Because there are up-and-comers who will be able to stick it out. Sure, they'll be the lowest common denominator, but ugh, isn't that just the same old story? And won't we just keep pushing the underappreciated acts, and grousing that no one notices them -- until all of a sudden everyone does? Probably.</p>
<p>And dude, just because we, who are inundated with new music CONSTANTLY, forget that Bjork had a new album out this year doesn't mean that her core constituency did.</p>
<p>This weekend, I talked to one of my galpals from middle school who happens to live a few blocks away from me (this is kind of insane, btw, seeing as that was in El Paso, TX, but I digress...). She mentioned being into the "indie rock" and I was like, O RLY? WHO!?!? What did she cite? Bloc Party. Arcade Fire. Editors. She LOVED Smoosh and Tokyo Police Club when they opened for Bloc Party recently. And it was all I could do not to be like, OMG HOW 2005 OF YOU! until I remembered that normal people, believe it or not, still kind of process new music at a normal rate of speed. Its we gatekeepers that are overwhelmed.</p>
<p>And so I say, perspective, people. Perspective. Deep breaths. It's all going to be okay, I promise.</p> <p><a href="http://therichgirlsareweeping.blogspot.com">the rich girls are weeping</a></p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<p>Fantastic post, you didn't miss a single issue. Black Kids are exactly the right band to bring up in this case, being that they're (at the moment) completely unworthy of anyone's time. If the Pitchfork review is absurd, then bloggers should be sent to the insane asylum. The only good thing about this fast-food hype is that we get the crap right out of the way quickly so we can move onto more meaningful bands which will be remembered a couple days from now. Almost no one gets left behind these days, so if you're truly any good, you usually get your just dues. If you're not...well, see you in the next Idolator column!</p>
<p>The quick hits to the gut these bands receive teaches them a real lesson: man up or sit down. As it stands, I wouldn't even invite Black Kids (I am not racist!) to a House Party.</p> <p>Iamthegamer</p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<P>@<A href="http://idolator.com/tunes/you.ve-got-to-be-kidding/an-idolator-real-talk-special-report-the-black-kids-hype-must-be-stopped-313517.php#c2735942">Matthew Perpetua</A>: <BR>Yeah, but record sales are still waaaaay down overall and if you think that Black Kids got more downloads since they put their music up on MySpace than Nickleback got in the last hour you are very mistaken.</P>
<P>But just for the sake of argument let me go on the redcord for a minute that I actually think Nickleback has some merit in there music. Wait. Wait. Hear me out----damn, I couldn't even keep a straight facing typing that over the internet.</P></BR> <p>jmb112485</p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, the long tail rears up in the music world too. With no barriers to stop an endless stream of critcs and aggregation tools galore, maybe we really are heading for a future where we're not only famous for fifteen minutes, but for fifteen people.</p> <p>Dancomono</p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<p>"I think average joe public still doesn't give a shit about any of these bands and is just happy that they can get their Nickleback for free."</p>
<p>Uh, actually the Nickelback fans are obviously pretty happy to actually spend money on those records.</p> <p><a href="http://www.fluxblog.org">Matthew Perpetua</a></p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<p>guess i don't understand where the finger is pointing in your argument, jess. for better or worse, this is 2007, music 2.0 - post 'space, file-sharing, accelerated press cycles, etc.. the majors can't change that - which means we sure as shit can't either. so we all get to deal with it (the ever-expanding pool of bands, the 1.5 seconds of fame) and engage in whatever way we choose. end of the day it's up to blog/fork readers to buy it (the band, the buzz, whatevs) or leave it on the shelf.<br>
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seems the issue is that you think this new model FORCES people to scramble, to buy/consume just for the sake of having a finger on the constantly-shifting pulse. but does it really? that seems like a read for only the obsessives. i tried to see black kids at cmj this year, but couldn't get into any of the shows. not a big deal. i've still only heard one song - off their myspace page. i don't even remember what it sounded like. i'm still 100% ambivalent, and i'm just as ok with that as i am with all the breathless praise.<br>
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it's hard to make this argument, but i think black kids (or any other baby band that's poppin online) would sound the same whether or not the bloggers were paying attention. you say the internet forces these bands to change/adapt, but (like blog-readers) the onus is on the band to either buy into the buzz, shit stuff out, go on poorly-planned tours, bring in the remixers, and "capitalize," or just keep on keepin' on.</p>
<p>seems this gripe is sort of just a general fuck-the-state-of-things. but why rage against a machine that ain't changing, when it doesn't actually force YOU to change. sure, most bloggers are VOLUNTARY street teams for band x or y. and most bands are waiting for their Myspace-or-Youtube moment. but so what? stop reading those blogs. stop listening to those bands. buy it or leave it on the shelf.</p> <p>rackattack</p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<p>Wait, Jess is a dude?  Oh, man.  I've wasted a gallon of Astroglide.</p> <p><a href="http://www.thecropper.com">Big Gray.</a></p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<P>Great post. I've gone about this a lot already at my own joint (thanks for linking people to it, by the way), so I'll just add a couple things here.</P>
<P>In my mind the thing that will always set Pitchfork apart from the multitude of hype blogs is that they h ave an <I>editorial stance</I>. You may like or not like that stance, but they have it. Reading the site regularly enough, you get a sense for the what Pitchfork as an entity likes and doesn't like. You have to have that mix in order to be discerning and credible. The problem is that the blogs pick up on all those "best new music" and "recommended" posts and run with them, leaving the bad shit behind. It's an honest reaction--like you said, Jess, you only want to write about what you love. But that's the difference between why people don't <I>trust</I> most blogs.</P>
<P>Only partly related - why doesn't Idolator start integrating some honest-to-god album reviews? (or do they and I've somehow blocked them from my mind?)Both you and Maura have done a "hype blogs blow" post within the last couple weeks now - why not do more to bring an editorial stance here?</P> <p><a href="http://prettygoeswithpretty.typepad.com">scott pgwp</a></p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c2735448">Catbirdseat</a>: did you read my first sentence? it is an amplification of a pre-existing phenomenon. obv printing a zine takes a lot more work (and money) than starting a blog does.</p> <p><a href="http://www.antennafarmrecords.com">iantenna</a></p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<P>also ear farm's shit about black kids wasn't an honest, well-thought out blogger takes out blogger fave type thing, it was boilerplate anti-pitchfork scorn, implying that black kids got BNM because they had "management connections" (which of course came post-pitchfork score), thus rendering his "their show was 1.7" conclusion dubious at best.</P> <p>jordan_s</p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<P>Bruce Springsteen was on the cover of Newsweek and Time in the same week!!! After the release of his THIRD album!!! And he hated it!!!</P> <p>Darth Funk</p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<P>@<A href="#c2734612">taylor t-sides</A>: <BR>
the problem isn't that jess- or other anti-bloggers- don't read "good crit blogs," it's that most likely no one (meaning anyone form 0-50 ppl, obv. a gagillion times less than stereogum or gvb or whatever) reads these "good crit blogs," therefore their impact is minimal at best and kind of worthless to this discussion.</P>
<P>not to mention that stereogum used to be a decent crit blog until the $ came in and it became a "career," and they realized that "features" about old cindy lauper videos get more hits than real, actual writing.</P></BR> <p>jordan_s</p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[Idolator ponders the hype surrounding CMJ darlings Black Kids and how blogs and The New York Times threaten burgeoning young bands:   What kind of madness is this? <p><a href="http://thebridalblog.observer.com/index.xml">Trackback</a></p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c2734867">iantenna</a>:</p>
<p>Can we please not compare today's "fandom scene" with that of the 80's/90's?  Time was, if you got into some sort of active music fandom, you actually had to love the music enough to put in some WORK.  You had to track down esoteric magazines and catalogs and pore through dusty racks at the local record store.  You had to send off a $50 check to a Japanese mail order shop to get those rare b-sides.  You had to devote hours to write up/draw up/paste up your 'zine, then hoof it over to your local print shop for some long hours cutting/pasting/binding before running all over town to distribute your work.  Time was, you were motivated by sheer excitement about the music, not by the prospect of 50,000 readers, or ad money lining your pockets, or "VIP" invites to some VICE party.<br>
<br>Now, I'm not saying that there *aren't* any music bloggers putting in work today, I'm just saying that today, you have an option:  you can be genuinely motivated by the music, OR you can just grab a blogspot account, take a peek at the existing blogs to see what's "hot," start throwing up mp3s, and wait for the traffic, ad revenue, and perquisites to start rolling in.</p> <p><a href="http://www.catbirdseat.org">Catbirdseat</a></p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c2735148">jessdolator</a>: You better be; New York doesn't switch hit.</p> <p>janine</p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c2734777">Little White Earbuds</a>: Dan Deacon may be undeserving in your eyes, but he paid his dues to be gaining the buzz.  The guy toured the shit out of the last two years, playing Portland something like six times (which for an East Coast act is unheard of), and it wasn't until around the fifth time that people started to take notice.  He may have seem to have come from left field, but that's not really the case.  He had time to tour and tighten his craft, which I think is what this argument is sort of boiling down to.  Sure, he may be over-hyped, but at least he has some footing to stand on.</p> <p>fishnotfried</p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<P>The blogosphere is a nervous system with a bachelor's degree and resentment.</P> <p>King of Pants</p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<P>@<A href="#c2734777">Little White Earbuds</A>: Not to turn what I still think is a <I>much</I> broader issue that deserves the discussion--and many people are making some stellar points here, which is awesome beyond belief--into total inside babseball territory, but the point's been raised, so I'll just mention on the record that I just filed my (long overdue) resignation with Pitchfork. Cool? Cool.</P>
<P>P.S. Let's also get it on record that I'm a dude.</P> <p>Jess Harvell</p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<P>Meh. I like these overhyped bands. If they are good enough to stand the (overwrought cliche alert) "test of time," their talent will shine through eventually whatever the early hype was. I think average joe public still doesn't give a shit about any of these bands and is just happy that they can get their Nickleback for free.</P>
<P>In the meantime, my baser consumer urges are continually sated and I get to be excited about something for a few hours before I go to sleep and wake up for work in the morning. If I still remember who they are in a few months time I download the album and cast judgement accordingly. What really excites me (and I'm not saying everyone looks at it like this) is the potential these bands exhibit, not the expectation of hearing a fully formed product. Sure some bands will be affected negatively by the pressure, but I still believe the good ones will battle through it like good bands had to battle angry audiences and thrown bottles in years past. New age new challenges and all that.</P>
<P>I believe that 20 years from now, (most) of the truly good bands will be remembered (by critics and record collectors) and their influence will be funnelled into radio friendly crap while the rest of the over-hyped bands will fall into the relative obscurity they deserve, and the critics and record collectors will still freak out when some new band cops a few riffs from a record like Wizards of Ahh, becoming the next in a long line of artists reapropriating older records that no one really remembers and/or cares about.</P>
<P>I think the only people who are really complaining about this are the critics and hipsters because they suddenly don't feel as important as they used to.</P>
<P>No offense, jess.</P> <p>jmb112485</p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c2735003">iantenna</a>: I believe Jess = she, but thank you, I see now what you mean/she meant. dually noted. I strike the first sentence of that paragraph from my comment.</p> <p><a href="http://www.t-sides.com">taylorklong</a></p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<P>@<A href="http://idolator.com/tunes/you.ve-got-to-be-kidding/an-idolator-real-talk-special-report-the-black-kids-hype-must-be-stopped-313517.php#c2734132">jessdolator</A>: Issue Larger? Are they cool? Are they new? Are they from Brooklyn? Do they achieve total heaviosity? Oh yeah - I totally love them. I've loved them, for like, weeks....</P>
<P>Brilliant post, Jess, good for you.</P> <p>jetblackturd</p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c2734612">taylor t-sides</a>:<i>also, it's a little extreme to paste yourself as the last bastion of honest, anti-hype music criticism ("As for what to "do" about it, well, you've got me.")</i></p>
<p>umm... he meant "you've got me" in the sense of "i don't have a fucking clue either" not in the way you interpreted it.</p> <p><a href="http://www.antennafarmrecords.com">iantenna</a></p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<p>i would argue that this is not a new problem but simply an amplified version of an issue as old as pop music itself. i've got a buddy who did nothing in the 80s but listen to new bands, read all the zines and go to shows. he continues to rave about bands that he hasn't listened to in 20 years (sure the early dream syndicate and dBs shit ruled, but love tractor, quadalcanal diary, etc., seriously? who cares?). along the same lines i was reading old issues of forced exposure recently and saw some rave reviews that i guarantee you a 2007 byron coley would blush at having written.</p>
<p>my point is that a lot of people want their generation to be the BEST, and these people were writing fanzines in the 80s and 90s and are writing blogs nowadays. as a result a lot of bullshit is popular for a time. then there are others who thrive on hating on their own generation and those who sit somewhere in the middle. i'm not trying to argue that the filter of time is the best way to find "good" music as i think some of the most boring british folk has been heralded as genius in the light of the, now not so, recent brit folk revival (vashti bunyan i am looking in your direction). and we all often end up running in argumentative circles when discussing taste/popularity/etc. to the point where i'm not even sure what my initial point was... but this country gazette record i'm listening to right now sure is purdy.</p> <p><a href="http://www.antennafarmrecords.com">iantenna</a></p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c2733195">jessdolator</a>: Hm, you're entirely right. When I saw you were the author of this post (which I read, don't get me wrong), my mind instantly raced to all the times I had seen your PFork reviews propping up, praising and (in the case of Dan Deacon especially) launching artists/records I felt were undeserving. In the process I glossed over your concession as to your own role in this situation. My desire to cut you down was stronger than my desire to make a coherent argument, which obviously didn't pan out well.</p>
<p>Anyway, I hope your post informs your future decisions as to whom you choose to laud as BNM and Recommended worthy. I know I'm more likely to pause and have another read (or spin) before hitting the submit button.</p> <p><a href="http://www.littlewhiteearbuds.wordpress.com">Little White Earbuds</a></p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<p>I don't believe you need to restrict the dialogue, but have some sort of consistency.  The initial reason Black Kids received so much hype is because they went to a festival, almost completely unknown to anyone, and were all anyone talked about after (even though they played with "technically superior" bands with "lots of material").  So this happens with a new band and they get in the Times and they are to be stopped?  If anything is inorganic it is this.</p>
<p>I know this is used so that you can turn a passionate eye towards the idea of blog-hype, but with so many examples and counter-examples it seems the music world tends to balance itself out.  I know that your issue is too big too fast, but regulation with some sort of inane timeline is a ridiculous solution to state of music.</p>
<p>It's your duty as an American and a music fan to shame music bloggers until they get their act together and shut you up, or until they quit entirely.</p> <p>t_immy</p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<p>My gut reaction to this is it probably isn't anyone's place (blogger, anti-blogger, professional crit, etc.) to determine the speed or trajectory of any artist's career - at the end of the day the artist gets to play it as it lays. But Jess, you know better than most that this is the hand dealt. For now. It's possible this style of insta-crit blows up in its own face down the line - wouldn't shock me. Which is not to say the romanticized '80s-style homegrown grind-it-out REM aesthetic is coming back. But if you get bit enough times by folks lobbying, like Yancey says, for A&amp;R gigs and little else, you've got to stop trusting them and indulging their fantastical proclamations.</p>
<p>The problem herein is its your job to read these blogs (by the way, wouldn't hurt to call a few overzealous folks out here), while it's not for most others. If I can ignore, as Yancey also mentions, I do.</p>
<p>Still, this will undoubtedly be read by most as another aging generation's cry against the shock of the new - a critic mad at insurgents without the depth of insight to correctly determine what's right on. But it's not necessarly "gauche" to call out a crock. You're allowed to do that and ought to. No sense in wringing hands, you've got the big forum.</p> <p><a href="http://www.vibe.com/blog/rapidshare/">Fennessey</a></p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<p>"The problem is really that Mr. Pareles--or anyone, really--shouldn't be writing about Black Kids right now." ...and you're doing what, then, exactly? I agree with your main point, but anyone in PR/marketing will tell you that bad press can be just as good -- if not better than -- good press.  just ask Travis Morrison. it's a little hypocritical that in order to fight the amount of press this band is getting, you write an overly long manifesto about them where a piece 1/10th this size would've sufficed. c'mon now.</p>
<p>also, it's a little extreme to paste yourself as the last bastion of honest, anti-hype music criticism ("As for what to "do" about it, well, you've got me.") Did you read Ear Farm's write-up about Black Kids? he didn't hesitate to trash them. you have to read more blogs before you can make blanket statements about them. the problem isn't blogs as a whole, it's the blogs that get attention. there are plenty of honest blogs filled with good criticism - people just don't read them.</p> <p><a href="http://www.t-sides.com">taylorklong</a></p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<p>href="#c2733674"&gt;supastah: I think the sad part is that, underneath it all, these mediocre bands showed some promise of good things. For all the inevitable backlash, "Room on Fire" was, in hindsight, the stronger album. If Arctic Monkeys had been given more time to develop the kind of songwriting that produced "Mardy Bum," the US wouldn't have yawned at their follow-up. Black Kids may be meant to be an interesting and good band, but they will NEVER have the chance to develop organically. Everything will always be a reaction to the press surrounding this moment.</p>
<p>@<a href="#c2733074">GovernmentNames</a>: While hype's always existed (Counting Crows were signed and gold less than two years after they formed), I think Jess' point about the tremendously shortened news cycle is true. By the time the tour bus comes around you've heard the EP, the album, the remixes, and are sick to death of the whole mess, ready for the next "underground" band that you've "discovered". And even with that REM EP, the band had been doing small shows and and building a fanbase and developing their sound well before they had the money to enter a studio.</p>
<p>Legendary bands have come out of the gate (Pixies), but everyone deserves at least 2 releases (album, single, etc) in near total obscurity before we turn on the spotlights.</p> <p>Halfwit</p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<P>"issue larger" = "larger issue," obviously.</P> <p>Jess Harvell</p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<P>I'll admit that this was a first draft flurry of stuff that had been nagging at me, and as such it's probably as contradcitory in its own way as the Pareles article that I call out. There's also no way to talk about this stuff without talking about my own role as critic, which inevitably I'm sure some people could easily see as self-indulgent. But I think the issue larger deserved airing out, even at the risk of looking self-aggrandizing, hypocritical, stuck in my own navel, whatever. Mea culpa, etc., but I hope the self-criticism in many of these statements/arguments was at least implicit. I'm no more or less off the hook than anyone else who writes about music in 2007, but frankly I think it's bullshit to restrict the dialogue because you can't argue from an unimpeachable position.</P> <p>Jess Harvell</p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<p>there are a few things at work here. there's the very not-new quest for the hip, for media-derived cultural capitol that has supplanted self-discovery (as a culture, we have taken the cliched "you are what you own" to heart without any irony) and any sort of introspectiveness on the part of a community or culture. this is pervasive not just in music and the arts, but even technology (the techcrunch's of the world), journalism, sports, you name it. perspective is a difficult and nearly impossible thing to command, and, recognizing that, the web chooses not to. who reads archives, anyway?</p>
<p>what we are buying into now isn't so much art or culture, but filters. if you self-describe  yrself as a pfork guy, then you need to know who the black kids are; it has been deemed thus. that's hardly pitchfork or marc hogan's fault -- their job, as they have defined it, is to merely whittle down the music environment into something barely digestible. what happens, to put it in time magazine 2006 terms, is up to YOU.</p>
<p>the other side, though, is that if you are the black kids, this is a very good thing. suddenly you have gone from guys and gals spending yr free time in a band to an honest to god career, and i can't begrudge anyone that. even if they got panned for their shows this week (which, interestingly enough, most of the people i talked to didn't like but I hardly read that <i>anywhere</i>) (were they good? no. should we feel betrayed? hell no.), they are in a much better place than they were two weeks ago, no matter how little they were prepared for it. they aren't going to get rich off of the review, but they will be able to not have day jobs for at least a year, and isn't that victory enough?</p>
<p>i'm with you on being against the natural tendency towards blogs as quasi-journalism (citizen journalist as a phrase might be the dumbest thing to ever come out of daily kos; are you telling me a blogger is gonna go pull plans from the water board to research some story on toxic waste dumps?), and think the only thing to do is read less. or at least just read the people that you trust, the folks who aren't auditioning for a&amp;r gigs with each post. idolator has been good at calling this out since you came on, jess, especially the drive-by posting style of mp3s without context/reason solely for pageviews, adsense and i have no idea what else. if you asked a lot of these folks to justify their blog you'd get a whole lot of blank stares and not much else.</p>
<p>anyway, although i like this post, it feels somewhat misguided to me because there's no sense in stopping this train, only redirecting to a more beneficial place. like, for instance, how can we work it so that internet hype = actual money for artists? how can we make people pay money for music again? how can an artist actually see a return for yet another mp3 ripped and posted on stereogum? because right now the primary folks who gain from internet phenomenon are the bloggers themselves in cache and the erection they get when checking statcounter. music and records and bands are just springboards to Something Bigger. at it's worst (which it very often is), it's cultural tourism of the worst kind. and fuck that.</p> <p>yancey</p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<P>Were the Strokes the first real participants (victims?) in this scenario? I don't remember this kind of web-based inflation before Is This It, at least not as we know it today. And it seems like we've been subject to a different monthly buzz band ever since. Some of them weathered the storm - the White Stripes and Arcade Fire, to be specific - but most went down like the Strokes themselves, unable to fulfill expectations and not allowed to progress naturally.</P> <p><a href="http://djearlybird.blogspot.com">mike a</a></p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<p>This is a really good essay, and I completely agree with pretty much everything in it.  For the reasons you've laid out, it's clear that the hyper-compressed timeline of blog hype is distressing, depressing, and distasteful.  The only thing I want to ask is: does it really matter?  If Black Kids is truly meant to be an interesting and good band, they will get there, blog microscope on them or not.  It certainly makes it harder, but so what?  There will always be bands who are able to make it through the chew-it-up-and-spit-it-out blog machine and come out the other end with a great new album and a great show.  And those are the bands we'll end up caring about.  So what if we (the audience) have to put up with a bunch of halfcocked, overeager Next Big Thing bullshit on the way there?</p> <p>Fraid</p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<P>navel gazing. ugh. i feel for you, jess. it seems like all you want to do is love music and share your love for it. you unfortunately live in a world where many people anchor their self-identification to their position in the race to know some thing before anyone else. "i've seen it all. i was here first." personally, i miss out on LOTS of music. lots of everything really, because i just don't care enough to compete in that race. but since you're writing about it are at once compelled to be a competitor and judge of the competition, i have a suggestion that i hope might help. write more pieces like this that tell people what really sucks out there. you sort of allude to the idea in noting that you've written about the stuff you love. so go ahead and tell us more about bands like black kids and why they aren't worth our attention, at least not yet. i find a negative review to have a much stronger effect on me than positive one.</P>
<P>and you might want to just focus on the music and stop worrying about the wannabes of the world. in the end, the music is what counts.</P> <p>supastah</p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<p>thank you for posting this. someone needed to say it.</p> <p>qyntellspitbull</p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<P>I'm on board with most of what you said.</P>
<P>The Net Hype Factory is pretty much out of control at this point and it's nearly impossible to keep up with the inundation of "next big things" or "bands to watch" who more often than not end up being "meh"- so what's the point of more than casually paying attention?</P>
<P>The only thing you can trust is your own set of ears.</P>
<P>Still, good bands like Arcade Fire still stand the test of hype and time.</P> <p>AquaLung</p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<P>Or you can just like unpopular bands. Works for me!</P> <p><a href="http://djearlybird.blogspot.com">mike a</a></p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<P>This is pretty much why I spend my new-music-discovery free time just downloading the Elephant 6 records I don't already have.</P> <p>Diglett</p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c2733128">unperson</a>: Anything that speeds up the implosion/collapse of "rock criticism" is a good thing as far as I'm concerned.</p> <p>tock</p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<P>Heh. Are there any more self-agrandizing people in music right now than bloggers?</P> <p>Sniffle</p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<P>But, I know, I know...reading is hard! We'll all get there together, I promise.</P> <p>Jess Harvell</p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<P>haha xpost</P> <p><a href="http://narrowcast.blogspot.com">Al Shipley</a></p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<P>@<A href="http://idolator.com/tunes/you.ve-got-to-be-kidding/an-idolator-real-talk-special-report-the-black-kids-hype-must-be-stopped-313517.php#c2733105">Little White Earbuds</A>: That would've been a good point to make if Jess hadn't spent a whole paragraph conceding it before your response.</P> <p><a href="http://narrowcast.blogspot.com">Al Shipley</a></p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<P>@<A href="#c2733105">Little White Earbuds</A>: Uh, did you miss the 241 of those 2000 saliva-clad words where I discuss just that, iI.e. "the BNM elephant in this tiny room"? It would be a fair criticism to say this post ignore that if I hadn't <I>already brought up</I> my own complicity or the appearance of complicity, as well trying to figure how praise even works within "the new model."</P> <p>Jess Harvell</p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<P>Anything that speeds up the implosion/collapse of "indie rock" is a good thing as far as I'm concerned.</P> <p><a href="http://runningthevoodoodown.blogspot.com">unperson</a></p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<p>Oh c'mon, Jess, as if you've never contributed to inane online hype via one of your growing total of BEST NEW MUSIC (no hype-o) and RECOMMENDED reviews for Pitchfork.  Dan Deacon, Battles, Justine D, Times New Viking and, to a lesser degree, The Field come to mind. Can you really harp on about undeserved hype for nearly 2000 saliva-clad words when you're a propagator yourself?</p> <p><a href="http://www.littlewhiteearbuds.wordpress.com">Little White Earbuds</a></p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<P>Lots of good points. But isn't there a long pre-internet history of indie/college-rock bands getting a ton of buzz based on just an EP or two? And didn't some of them go on to become career bands like REM and Pavement?</P> <p>Al Shipley</p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<P>the saddest part is that there is basically only two results for bands like these: a. they become tapes 'n tapes, a band that's two years old but are already has-beens to their core fanbase, or b. they become voxtrot, and feel the pressure to capitalize on their hype (both zine and blog) and rush out a record that ends up being shit because they wanted to remain "relevant."</P>
<P>the problem is, it's hard to ask (or expect) ppl to stop having a voracious appetite for music readily available to them. asking the average blog reader/blogger to scale back on hearing/posting new music for the benefit of the bands they already like (or for the benefit of bands that they still will want to like in a year's time) would be like telling someone that everything in a grocery store is free but asking them not to eat so much.</P> <p>jordan_s</p>]]></description>
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		    <pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2007 13:45:07 EDT</pubDate>
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