OiNK Reactions Day Two: A Contradictory, Self-Selected Nation Mourns - Idolator Comments

OiNK Reactions Day Two: A Contradictory, Self-Selected Nation Mourns

bburl — Wed, 31 Oct 2007 00:37:36 EDT

All the yahoo poop dropping on distraught p2pers comes from the fact that you openly dismiss and hurl scorn on the anti-copyright arguements. And believe it or not, there are some highly educated intellegent people who see intellectual property as a social hinderance that harms innovation and creativity. I don't care whether you agree with the arguments, but the fact that a valid philosophical/moral position doesn't even register shows either profound laziness or profound arrogance. But heh, scorn is fun and making readers feel all superior over the bt idiots who think file sharing isn't stealing, at least not like stealing property, is also good for business.

bburl

OiNK Reactions Day Two: A Contradictory, Self-Selected Nation Mourns

eicos — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 22:22:25 EDT

OiNK may have been overly smug and self-satisfied in its indieness, but I loved it for another reason; it was the best repository of classical music torrents I've yet been able to find. Other than string quartet versions of popular rock songs and "Best of" releases, which don't interest me, the only classical music on mainstream torrent sites is in giant, poorly-annotated (and generally poorly-ripped) collections. While OiNK's selection wasn't terrific, the music it did have was fastidiously tagged and ripped. If your ratio could take it, you could even get the FLAC versions, which makes a big difference when you are listening to artifact-prone piano music.

All in all, I am sad for OiNK's demise, although not as sad as I will be if I am threatened with a lawsuit by the RIAAssholes; with respect to the importance of scene releases in this investigation, the worrisome thing with OiNK is that many who wouldn't otherwise be interested in scene releases would still download and seed those hot torrents to increase their ratios.

eicos

OiNK Reactions Day Two: A Contradictory, Self-Selected Nation Mourns

sparkletone — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 18:29:47 EDT

People don't expect to be able to go into a gallery and lift that painting or picture or whatever off the wall and walk out with it for free.

Like many, many such analogies, this one is broken: People in a gallery get to look at the picture as much as they want, in perfect quality no less!, and decide whether or not they want to pay for it. They can also just look a few times, admire the beauty (or not-beauty) and walk away.

At the very least, they've paid a small entrance fee to get into the gallery, but I bet there are plenty of free galleries out there too.

sparkletone

OiNK Reactions Day Two: A Contradictory, Self-Selected Nation Mourns

mybsides — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 17:48:54 EDT

All of the comments fromt the past two days have proved to me that the only people with negative things to say about OiNK or OiNK users are people who were never invited to be part of the community.

mybsides

OiNK Reactions Day Two: A Contradictory, Self-Selected Nation Mourns

busdriverstu — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 14:28:04 EDT

@beta.rogan: Someone needs to review the differences between theft and copyright infringement.

busdriverstu

OiNK Reactions Day Two: A Contradictory, Self-Selected Nation Mourns

beta.rogan — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 12:11:59 EDT

Not just stores, but look at it in the context of other art forms. People don't expect to be able to go into a gallery and lift that painting or picture or whatever off the wall and walk out with it for free, yet they consider this perfectly ok to do with music. Music is an art form, regardless of what the cheap bastards who illegally DL music seem to think, and the artists deserve to be paid. Sure the industry is in a state of serious upheaval, but that doesn't mean it's ok to steal from your "favorite" artists because you don't like their gallery rep. (effectively)

beta.rogan

OiNK Reactions Day Two: A Contradictory, Self-Selected Nation Mourns

bedpan — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 11:32:38 EDT

@Big Money, No Whammies: no kidding. it's like saying stealing from all stores is alright, because wal-mart is bad. sigh. the whole thing is just so... overwhelmingly frustrating and annoying.

bedpan

OiNK Reactions Day Two: A Contradictory, Self-Selected Nation Mourns

Hallux Valgus — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 11:13:33 EDT

I have never used Oink, nor cared about the possibility of using Oink, but after reading all the comments from outraged music nerds who feel justify illegal downloading by blaming some nameless faceless "music industry," I now really fucking hate Oink.

Hallux Valgus

OiNK Reactions Day Two: A Contradictory, Self-Selected Nation Mourns

troybulldogs21 — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 11:04:54 EDT

@brainchild: Oink was more than just free music. It was sort of like those communes that sprang up for hippies, but free love and drugs was free really high bitrate music, with a side of feeling social on the expansive message boards for people who don't actually have friends with similar music tastes. You can kind of see that on the new message boards where people are shouting out to other "hardcore" or "electronic/dance" users, and that's why people miss OiNK more than they thought they would.

troybulldogs21

OiNK Reactions Day Two: A Contradictory, Self-Selected Nation Mourns

brainchild — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 11:00:51 EDT

@maura: i keep forgetting. ugh. where's that killer comet Jess spoke of in that other post?

brainchild

OiNK Reactions Day Two: A Contradictory, Self-Selected Nation Mourns

Maura Johnston — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 10:58:01 EDT

@brainchild: It's the Internet. Of course not.

Maura Johnston

OiNK Reactions Day Two: A Contradictory, Self-Selected Nation Mourns

brainchild — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 10:51:47 EDT

This whole thing sickens me... and not the fact that Oink got shut down, but the fact that a lot of people are extremely angry that they are going to have to work a little harder for the next few weeks to illegally obtain music.

Do they realize just how dumb they sound?

brainchild