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Idolator Goes Even Deeper Into the Emo Fan Fiction Underground

Hawkington — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 16:01:22 EDT

"In a deep, dark corner of the Internet"
Wouldn't that be a Child Porn Site?
I'll tell you what, Fan Fiction is usually written by 12-15 year olds and it helps in after school Creative Writing, Spelling , Grammar and Creativity. I don't know what sites you were on, However most sites in force these rules and many of the kids have better spelling and vocabulary then most Adults. So instead of trying to cut down kids who are writing, Why don't you go focus on Kids on Drugs or kids in gangs, 'Cause at least these kids are honest and not being unproductive members of society, such as yourself.
And Most Teen Fan Fiction Sites Do Not allow profanity or explicit sex scenes as you described, So just because you found a Bad site dose not mean all are as bad as you show.

Hawkington

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kickingkeiko — Mon, 18 Feb 2008 15:41:14 EST

OK, sorry, I'm kind of paranoid. But maybe you could have said it was for a project straight away? What kind of project is it?

mrstarhead, it's not, just some people think because they're feminists that everything they do is a feminist act. It's kind of a meme that's going round in fandom and has been for yours, but it's hotly debated.

kickingkeiko

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DustinR — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 23:22:33 EST

This seems totally harmless, endearing even but the whole concept, like most fan fiction still has an incredibly creepy feel to it.

DustinR

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MrStarhead — Thu, 14 Feb 2008 16:08:08 EST

Could someone please explain why gay slash fiction is somehow feminist?

MrStarhead

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Kate Richardson — Thu, 14 Feb 2008 08:53:18 EST

Also, this would be so much more interesting if I WERE "a fan girl with an agenda." But I'm not. I'm a college student. I study cinema. I've never written fanfic, never had a livejournal. I do have a blog in case you're curious as to my evil inner-workings: [averagethansmarterbear.blogspot.com]

My only agenda is that I want to interview some bandom people for a project I'm working on with a friend. Who's also not a FGW/A. And the project isn't an article. In fact, it would be physically impossible to quote someone for this project without their consent.

Kate Richardson

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Kate Richardson — Thu, 14 Feb 2008 03:51:21 EST

@kickingkeiko: Actually it's not an article or anything related to Idolator that I'm working on. Believe it or not I do exist outside of antagonizing fan culture on this site.

Kate Richardson

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kickingkeiko — Wed, 13 Feb 2008 18:20:27 EST

@GayDrawer: don't say i didn't warn you if you make a fool of yourself/she turns out to be a fangirl with an agenda/the article you'll be in is really mean/other unforeseen consequences happen.

kate, flattery gets you nowhere. except w/gaydrawer, apparently. and i think the main audience for anymore articles on this subject would be fandom, rather than anybody else, as they seem not to care that much. oh well, it's more unique visitors isn't it?

kickingkeiko

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scarletvirtue — Wed, 13 Feb 2008 15:04:06 EST

@GayDrawer: Yay for feminists in bandom! Also nice to see people that are in their 20s (and older) involved in this.

That's all for now.

scarletvirtue

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xCyanidex — Wed, 13 Feb 2008 00:18:42 EST

why is everyone freaking out here? that's my question.

xCyanidex

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xCyanidex — Wed, 13 Feb 2008 00:08:35 EST

a lot of people are up in arms about this thing. which is stupid. Whoever wrote it practically endorsed us (even though they don't really get it, but at least they say as much.)

It's amusing to say the *very* least.
the thing is, most of us are aware of the fact that the bands know this stuff exists (some of them actively read it, [HELLO TOMRAD. also, PETE. We KNOW YOU READ THIS SHIT] even if only for giggles). What I think the person who posted it is missing, is that we aren't actually writing about the rockstars we name.
We don't know them personally, so we really can't.

These are completely fictional characters with insecurities and personalities all their own. We borrow their names, faces, occupations (sometimes), and occasionally single out a personality quirk or acutal occurance to play up, elaborate, r fabricate. Not the same thing as writing the *real* Gerard Way fantasizing about his rhythm section...

Well, that goes for the majority of us anyway.

We don't do this for them anyway. We do it for ourselves, for each other's amusement. I could care less if Pete wetnz is googling his name and one of my stories pops up. That's his own damn fault for not listening to Mikey Way.

xCyanidex

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GayDrawer — Tue, 12 Feb 2008 23:44:17 EST

@GayDrawer: pete.wentz.ATE.my.baby at gmail. Grargh.

GayDrawer

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sin_thesys — Tue, 12 Feb 2008 23:10:23 EST

I'm in agreement. Though it's easy to agree when I don't see me (or my alter ego) being quoted up there.

I don't feel the need to get upset whether or not people know about this hobby or not; then again, I go by an alias. And if I ever publish something serious, I'll probably go by an alias on that as well. Fun? Practice for my future career writing formulaic romance novels? Why not?

I do think whoever it was up there made a good point though... there's a lot worse shit actually published in original fiction. Like everything else, the quality varies. *shrugs* It's not everyone's Venti Chai Latte.

sin_thesys

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GayDrawer — Tue, 12 Feb 2008 22:13:08 EST

@kaate: Full disclosure: I'm one of the feminist twentysomethings of bandom.

And I noticed the kid gloves right away. This is probably the most sympathetic piece of "outside" attention fandom has gotten, at least in my memory. I don't know why people are getting offended, you practically endorsed us. In a roundabout, dignity-preserving, I-still-think-they're-fucking-weird way, of course.

I could probably soothe your sociological itchings, if you like. Email me at pete.wentz.at.my.baby@gmail. <--- yes that's real

GayDrawer

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Crossbow1 — Tue, 12 Feb 2008 16:38:06 EST

As an MCR fan fic writer, I completely agree.

Crossbow1

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Kate Richardson — Tue, 12 Feb 2008 16:13:30 EST

@kickingkeiko: Gold star. Gold fucking star. You sure you don't want to email me? You seem like a riot.

Kate Richardson

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scarletvirtue — Tue, 12 Feb 2008 16:04:54 EST

@StuntKockSteeev: Ewwww, ewwww, ewwww.

And I thought the Goofus and Gallant slash over at [www.community.livejournal.com] was bad enough.

scarletvirtue

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scarletvirtue — Tue, 12 Feb 2008 16:01:33 EST

@kaate: It's kind of a running joke/conspiracy theory in some of the fandoms for Those Dudes that Pete Wentz knows about (and reads) the stories, and will make occasional comments that get the fangirls all worked up and writing more slash for his amusement.

scarletvirtue

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the rich girls are weeping — Tue, 12 Feb 2008 15:47:53 EST

Bandomites: 1000% more sensitive than music bloggers. And that's saying something.

I hate the internet.

the rich girls are weeping

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kickingkeiko — Tue, 12 Feb 2008 13:44:03 EST

eh. i don't see what everyone's getting so het up about. no, i don't really like being talked about like this, but idolator isn't really a massively well known site, and hey, if you want a lot worse coverage of fanfic look at somethingawful. they're experts in sneering at easy targets. bandom is getting nowhere near as much publicity as hp fandom. we've got way worse shit in this fandom than bad sex scenes and every fangirl here knows it. from what i can see the commenters are more horrified at the robert fripp erotica. so am i tbqh. ah fandom, if other people aren't making us look bad, we can do it ourselves. this is why i ain't talking to journos.

oh phabs, dearest phabs, "Also, I don't necessarily agree with reproducing other people's works without their consent or acknowledgment"??? ahahahaha. this is fanfic, this is what we do. please don't get your panties in a bunch over us, god knows you've done enough of that already.

mole people! i think we should have a song. and not that shitty pirate shanty from strikethrough. now if you'll excuse me, i'm getting back to gerard way: boy princess of the ocean. would you like to join me kate?

kickingkeiko

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NeverEnough — Tue, 12 Feb 2008 09:51:55 EST

@StuntKockSteeev: Related horror: [www.michaelkelly.fsnet.co.uk]

NeverEnough

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iridescentglow — Tue, 12 Feb 2008 05:37:54 EST

Firstly, digging through a world that you neither understand nor like in order to post out-of-context excerpts with the sole purpose of mocking stories that people lovingly constructed -- that's not only cruel, but very sad. How much time did you waste on this post? Do you really think it makes you cool to mock writing that people get no profit or kudos from? (If you must, mock the published authors who generate fiction much, much worse than those quoted above and actually get paid for it.)

Secondly, a lot of people have weird hobbies. There are few hobbies that aren't weird, in fact. Sit slumped in the dark, in front of a box for an hour or more to watch people you don't know compete for a recording contract? Kinda weird. Risk your life by climbing up big rocks? Kinda weird. Knitting? Kinda weird.

My hobby is cheaper, more creatively stimulating and (IMO) more fun than any of those listed above. I get to write fiction about something that I love and have people enjoy that fiction. Sometimes I win awards, too. (What, my winning story at the bandom awards wasn't worth mockery? Too bad.)

iridescentglow

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Kate Richardson — Tue, 12 Feb 2008 05:05:05 EST

Haha the bandom people are starting to sound more and more like mole people!

Wentz and Those Dudes have known about the fanfic for ages. And even if he reads it here it's not like he knows who wrote it/will care. I think posting the LJ names of the authors here on Idolator would have been much more wank than leaving them in uncredited anonymity.

Kate Richardson

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SuperUnison — Tue, 12 Feb 2008 03:05:46 EST

Wow, you people have some fucked up expectations of privacy. If you don't want to risk Pete Wentz reading your erotic stories about him, make that shit friends only/put it in a private myspace group/correspond by email list. You know he probably googles himself obsessiveley, probably with the word "sexy" and "awards" outside the quotes, so it isn't like he won't run into it eventually. I just don't buy the idea that you can have something you give out awards for but then act like it's a crime if someone outside of it realizes it exists.

SuperUnison

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JadziaDrgnRdr — Tue, 12 Feb 2008 02:50:26 EST

See I could really care less about strangers judging me by my shady ass hobby. I know it's shady and I don't care. I enjoy myself and have met people from all over the world who don't think me strange, but I do care that reprints of fic are on Idolator because the likelihood of Pete Wentz stumbling into my journal are very thin (I don't even write much slash but oh do I read it.) But the likelihood of him stumbling upon this site is infinitely more plausible and he nor do any of the other boys need to see this. It's one thing to know people are writing porn about you and quite another to get a whole heaping eyeful of said porn. Poor dears. heh.

JadziaDrgnRdr

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DW — Mon, 11 Feb 2008 23:42:01 EST

what the hell just happened here?! i can't leave you kids alone for a minute!!!

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phaballa — Mon, 11 Feb 2008 22:12:47 EST

@kaate: I'm not in bandom, so I'm not worried. You didn't out anyone by name, this is true; but fandom as a whole doesn't tend to enjoy being written about in the public sphere. Not that we can stop it, but you know--it's going to be hard for you to find someone who will talk to you about it because we don't like to make ourselves known in public.

Also, I don't necessarily agree with reproducing other people's works without their consent or acknowledgment, but I don't know that they have any rights to say what's done with their fic after it's been posted. In fandom, quoting people's writings without giving them credit is a highly wankable offense. So if your personal interests do veer towards bandslash for whatever reason, I'd be very careful if I were you. That sort of thing won't be welcome in their community.

phaballa

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Kate Richardson — Mon, 11 Feb 2008 21:09:01 EST

@phaballa: Obviously fandom people aren't going to be to keen on me, but what I write for Idolator and my own personal interests in internet culture aren't necessarily in the same league. Also, just for the record...despite my seemingly nasty tone I handled you guys with kitten gloves on this post. I'm sure it doesn't seem like it to you, but really think about what a less sympathetic evil exposer would have said.

As for outing, I purposefully did not link to the awards group or mention any LJ users by name so that they wouldn't get harassed. But for the most part I think everyone kind of just has a good laugh and then continues to ignore bandom. So I wouldn't worry about it too much in general.

Kate Richardson

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Fawn Liebowitz — Mon, 11 Feb 2008 21:05:54 EST

I'm sorry if I made fun--now please tell me how to find more!

Fawn Liebowitz

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phaballa — Mon, 11 Feb 2008 20:12:02 EST

@kaate: People involved in fandom, especially people who write fanfic, don't tend to appreciate being "outted". Just saying. You'll have a hard time finding someone who's willing to talk to you about it, especially after the tone in which you've written your previous pieces.

phaballa

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Kate Richardson — Mon, 11 Feb 2008 19:53:18 EST

Wait, no! Please!

Kate Richardson

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kickingkeiko — Mon, 11 Feb 2008 18:50:39 EST

nooooo! it's bad enough we're in this article. leave us to frolic in the wilds of the internets!

kickingkeiko

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kickingkeiko — Mon, 11 Feb 2008 18:48:27 EST

noooo.... it's bad enough we're in this article. leave us to the wilds of the internets!

kickingkeiko

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Kate Richardson — Mon, 11 Feb 2008 18:44:29 EST

@kickingkeiko: You are brilliant. Seriously, thank you.

Could I ask you a few questions about this stuff out of pure sociological curiosity? If you're willing, email me: kate AT idolator dot com

Also I love your commenter name.

Kate Richardson

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kickingkeiko — Mon, 11 Feb 2008 18:25:24 EST

actually the feminist grad students are a relatively new addition. most of the fandom is teenagers, and they were there first, the older people came later. they're sort of committed slashers who periodically switch media properties in search of something new to write about. i mean how many 20something women are going to listen to mcr of their own accord? they're also the most vocal element when it comes to outside reporting on fanfic.

as for me, i'll just be over here squirming and blushing. it's good to laugh at yourself i guess, and to remember we are in public. and that's... actually a really good point about the narrative style of fanfic mimicking the source material. i've always felt something about the source material defines the fandom, though never known what.

kickingkeiko

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Fawn Liebowitz — Mon, 11 Feb 2008 18:10:24 EST

I cant stop laughing--how does one go about finding more of this stuff? Do all musicians have these kinds of followers? I need more!!!

Fawn Liebowitz

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noamjamski — Mon, 11 Feb 2008 17:30:00 EST

@StuntKockSteeev: Now I am truly freaked out.

It is one thing to see female grad students writing about Pete Wentz or some really terrifying dude waxing poetic about Robert Fripp.

But an entire community devoted to the imagined homo-erotic overtones in the work of Tom Petty and Jeff Lynne? That is too much for even me.

Well played internet. Well played

noamjamski

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revmatty — Mon, 11 Feb 2008 16:28:15 EST

@noamjamski: I can't begin to describe how disturbing that idea is. And yet I have to wonder if the fanfic is as complex and surreal as his music...

revmatty

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SuperUnison — Mon, 11 Feb 2008 15:42:04 EST

This makes me proud to be a human being. I'm not being ironic.

SuperUnison

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HONEYBFLY — Mon, 11 Feb 2008 15:13:02 EST

FYI this should article should come with a warning to gay men - for any article detailing Pete Wentz graphically involved in gay sex is just cause for AWB (At Work Boner).

Now I have to wait for it to go away before I get up to get my coffee refill. Thanks, Idolator.

HONEYBFLY

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ohlio — Mon, 11 Feb 2008 14:32:43 EST

The lady doth protest too much.

ohlio

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Bob Loblaw — Mon, 11 Feb 2008 14:19:31 EST

"Garishly yellow glow of the streetlamp" has to be the single most Creative Writing 101 phrase ever produced.

Pretty close, but I found one recently that might be a little bit better for its sheer concision: "He nodded, wordlessly."

Bob Loblaw

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StuntKockSteeev — Mon, 11 Feb 2008 13:52:34 EST

[community.livejournal.com]

Travelling Willburys fan fiction. A Roy Orbison orgasm probably sounds like the cry of a beluga whale.

StuntKockSteeev

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noamjamski — Mon, 11 Feb 2008 13:09:51 EST

That is the first erotic fiction I have ever seen that mentions the word "perineum." I always thought taint was sexier.

If your taste in eroticism is even nerdier still, fripperotic.blogspot.com is apparently your online resource for Robert Fripp erotic fan fics.

noamjamski

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Janelleyo — Mon, 11 Feb 2008 12:57:25 EST

These pieces should be filed under "things I can't read at work". I end up laughing so hard on the inside, that tears start rolling down my face. And thats because I know these people. Sadly, both the subjects AND the people that write this stuff. Its time to take a good hard look at my life :)

Janelleyo