<![CDATA[Jim DeRogatis Takes On Ryan Schreiber, And There Are No Winners - Idolator Comments]]> http://cache.gawker.com/assets/base/img/thumbs140x140/idolator.com.png <![CDATA[Jim DeRogatis Takes On Ryan Schreiber, And There Are No Winners - Idolator Comments]]> http://idolator.com Wed, 12 Mar 2008 18:14:47 EDT Wed, 12 Mar 2008 18:14:47 EDT http://idolator.com/364667/jim-derogatis-takes-on-ryan-schreiber-and-there-are-no-winners <![CDATA[Jim DeRogatis Takes On Ryan Schreiber, And There Are No Winners]]> http://idolator.com/364667/jim-derogatis-takes-on-ryan-schreiber-and-there-are-no-winners#c4670437 Ghostland Observatory is awesome and that's it.
That guy is the best frontman since Howlin' Pelle Almqvist.

HUGE_Hefner

]]> 33:364667:c4670437 Wed, 12 Mar 2008 18:14:47 EDT <![CDATA[Jim DeRogatis Takes On Ryan Schreiber, And There Are No Winners]]> http://idolator.com/364667/jim-derogatis-takes-on-ryan-schreiber-and-there-are-no-winners#c4594515 HAW, DeRo's so out of it, we're so in. Curmudgeonly fat cracker don't know. **beams awesomely to twee post-ironic self**

radishrashranch

]]> 33:364667:c4594515 Fri, 07 Mar 2008 15:15:28 EST <![CDATA[Jim DeRogatis Takes On Ryan Schreiber, And There Are No Winners]]> http://idolator.com/364667/jim-derogatis-takes-on-ryan-schreiber-and-there-are-no-winners#c4585918 Derogatis also puts too much importance on the reviews part of Pitchfork, which hasn't been the "key" of the site for years. Sure, it seems that way on the surface, but saying that narrow review section on the middle of the page is still Pitchfork's most important content is like saying the Queen is still the important part of UK politics. The features, the Forkcast, the News.... these are all the key items for current success. Without a constant churn of new content coming in, posts every 8 minutes, more and more new mp3s, videos, tour update postings, Pitchfork (or *any* site trying to make a go of it) would be floundering. You can't make a living of lengthy, well-written essays! The key in today's age is a constantly-updated broad offering of content; and Pitchfork is opening up a whole new area of content to offer up to their readers now. So, yes, sure, Pitchfork is "critical" and "journalistic," but c'mon, that's like 15 or 20% of their overall-- the rest is pretty much all promo and entertainment (and there's nothing necessarily wrong with that!)

Catbirdseat

]]> 33:364667:c4585918 Fri, 07 Mar 2008 10:13:43 EST <![CDATA[Jim DeRogatis Takes On Ryan Schreiber, And There Are No Winners]]> http://idolator.com/364667/jim-derogatis-takes-on-ryan-schreiber-and-there-are-no-winners#c4581087 It's like Godzilla vs. Mothra. I don't know who to vote for or boo.

Rabi

]]> 33:364667:c4581087 Thu, 06 Mar 2008 21:05:36 EST <![CDATA[Jim DeRogatis Takes On Ryan Schreiber, And There Are No Winners]]> http://idolator.com/364667/jim-derogatis-takes-on-ryan-schreiber-and-there-are-no-winners#c4579999 C'mon Maura. Ghostland Observatory wouldn't play Pitchfork, it would be a step back after playing Lollapalooza twice.

Silverfuture

]]> 33:364667:c4579999 Thu, 06 Mar 2008 19:40:27 EST <![CDATA[Jim DeRogatis Takes On Ryan Schreiber, And There Are No Winners]]> http://idolator.com/364667/jim-derogatis-takes-on-ryan-schreiber-and-there-are-no-winners#c4579784 @Dick Malone: Excellent point. It isn't like, given that P4k already want to cover them in some capacity, they're gonna be like "and can you changed the 'girl we couldn't get much higher'" line.

@the rich girls are weeping: Not that I know of, but (to extend the analogy) Stereogum has probably already turned into grand moff tarkin, so maybe my prediction is off.

@gorillavsmarykate: How is Gawker Media going to be a multimillion dollar underdog (for to justify the ad hominem stuff and the snarkiness)without ubiquitous enemies?

SuperUnison

]]> 33:364667:c4579784 Thu, 06 Mar 2008 19:23:49 EST <![CDATA[Jim DeRogatis Takes On Ryan Schreiber, And There Are No Winners]]> http://idolator.com/364667/jim-derogatis-takes-on-ryan-schreiber-and-there-are-no-winners#c4579134 @SuperUnison: Turns into Darth Vader? Didn't that like, happen sometime during the second season of "The O.C."?

the rich girls are weeping

]]> 33:364667:c4579134 Thu, 06 Mar 2008 18:45:57 EST <![CDATA[Jim DeRogatis Takes On Ryan Schreiber, And There Are No Winners]]> http://idolator.com/364667/jim-derogatis-takes-on-ryan-schreiber-and-there-are-no-winners#c4578927 Pitchfork Media:Idolator as CAA:Defamer as ESPN:Deadspin.

gorillavsmarykate

]]> 33:364667:c4578927 Thu, 06 Mar 2008 18:34:50 EST <![CDATA[Jim DeRogatis Takes On Ryan Schreiber, And There Are No Winners]]> http://idolator.com/364667/jim-derogatis-takes-on-ryan-schreiber-and-there-are-no-winners#c4578351 @Chris Molanphy: I agree with all you said about Sound Opinions. I think it's a great show, good guests etc. I just think Dero...(Roga?) has moved aggressively out of the demo for the type of music I like. And I'm 40.

disinterested 3rd party

]]> 33:364667:c4578351 Thu, 06 Mar 2008 18:06:21 EST <![CDATA[Jim DeRogatis Takes On Ryan Schreiber, And There Are No Winners]]> http://idolator.com/364667/jim-derogatis-takes-on-ryan-schreiber-and-there-are-no-winners#c4578237 Boy, that sure made Ryan look good. Jim's kinda asking the wrong questions there. Besides the fact that every mag everywhere trades ad buys for good reviews, Pitchfork's biggest asset is their credibility. That was never the case with MTV, certainly. It seems really implausible that they'd cavalierly throw away what they've spent so long carefully building up. And I mean, c'mon, is a band really going to say, "Well, we don't want Pitchfork to cover our concert or put us in their festival, but I guess we have to..." Who doesn't want Pitchfork to cover them?

Mike Barthel

]]> 33:364667:c4578237 Thu, 06 Mar 2008 18:00:58 EST <![CDATA[Jim DeRogatis Takes On Ryan Schreiber, And There Are No Winners]]> http://idolator.com/364667/jim-derogatis-takes-on-ryan-schreiber-and-there-are-no-winners#c4578054 wow... that's a lot of !!!!!!!!!'s in one interview. it must have been a seriously loud discussion.

donewaiting

]]> 33:364667:c4578054 Thu, 06 Mar 2008 17:52:35 EST <![CDATA[Jim DeRogatis Takes On Ryan Schreiber, And There Are No Winners]]> http://idolator.com/364667/jim-derogatis-takes-on-ryan-schreiber-and-there-are-no-winners#c4577881 Re: "Sound Opinions" (thanks, disinterested 3rd party for bringing that up): I have long disliked DeRogatis's writing and, frankly, his tastes/general attitude toward rock and pop. But I feel like with the radio show/podcast, he's finally found his calling.

If you find him infuriating, he's not much less infuriating on the show, but he gives a show like that what it needs: a Simon Cowell-like personality. You can disagree with him, but he gives Greg Kot something to debate about and the listenership a target for either their chin-wagging or their ire.

Frankly, if he could ditch the Sun-Times and do the radio show full-time (I know, fat chance), I'd probably enjoy him more in general.

Chris Molanphy

]]> 33:364667:c4577881 Thu, 06 Mar 2008 17:44:50 EST <![CDATA[Jim DeRogatis Takes On Ryan Schreiber, And There Are No Winners]]> http://idolator.com/364667/jim-derogatis-takes-on-ryan-schreiber-and-there-are-no-winners#c4577604 Can't we all just enjoy the next 3-6 years before Pitchfork gets shitty and complacent and turns into Darth Vader?

SuperUnison

]]> 33:364667:c4577604 Thu, 06 Mar 2008 17:32:25 EST <![CDATA[Jim DeRogatis Takes On Ryan Schreiber, And There Are No Winners]]> http://idolator.com/364667/jim-derogatis-takes-on-ryan-schreiber-and-there-are-no-winners#c4573306 @digitallofi: I agree, I pushed all the way through Milk It and it was a valuable exercise in reading criticism where I agreed in substance (Give Urge Overkill a chance!), but found the reasoning/arguments to be completely wrongheaded. My music collection probably looks a lot like his, but I can't stand the writing.

janine

]]> 33:364667:c4573306 Thu, 06 Mar 2008 15:13:02 EST <![CDATA[Jim DeRogatis Takes On Ryan Schreiber, And There Are No Winners]]> http://idolator.com/364667/jim-derogatis-takes-on-ryan-schreiber-and-there-are-no-winners#c4572173 Schreiber's whole "If our intentions are noble and we're true to ourselves, nothing bad will happen" attitude towards any appearance of impropriety reeks of a destructive naivete. If people start to perceive any kind of inverse correlation between a band's willingness to support Pitchfork.tv and their album reviews, the ship will start to sink.

I suspect the readership is more willing to tolerate the current "holier-than-thou hipster d-bag" perception of the site than any kind of quid pro quo marketing machine image that could develop.

The Notorious T

]]> 33:364667:c4572173 Thu, 06 Mar 2008 14:37:53 EST <![CDATA[Jim DeRogatis Takes On Ryan Schreiber, And There Are No Winners]]> http://idolator.com/364667/jim-derogatis-takes-on-ryan-schreiber-and-there-are-no-winners#c4571847 Ryan Adams is not a fan.

Whigged

]]> 33:364667:c4571847 Thu, 06 Mar 2008 14:28:21 EST <![CDATA[Jim DeRogatis Takes On Ryan Schreiber, And There Are No Winners]]> http://idolator.com/364667/jim-derogatis-takes-on-ryan-schreiber-and-there-are-no-winners#c4571572 I heard that Vampire Weekend review, too. It sounded like something I would say if given a national platform. That is not a compliment.

jpoz

]]> 33:364667:c4571572 Thu, 06 Mar 2008 14:19:56 EST <![CDATA[Jim DeRogatis Takes On Ryan Schreiber, And There Are No Winners]]> http://idolator.com/364667/jim-derogatis-takes-on-ryan-schreiber-and-there-are-no-winners#c4571526 yeah jim's opinion matters about as much as idolators.

brownham

]]> 33:364667:c4571526 Thu, 06 Mar 2008 14:18:51 EST <![CDATA[Jim DeRogatis Takes On Ryan Schreiber, And There Are No Winners]]> http://idolator.com/364667/jim-derogatis-takes-on-ryan-schreiber-and-there-are-no-winners#c4571487 [www.theonion.com]

As true today as when it was written.

PengIn

]]> 33:364667:c4571487 Thu, 06 Mar 2008 14:17:48 EST <![CDATA[Jim DeRogatis Takes On Ryan Schreiber, And There Are No Winners]]> http://idolator.com/364667/jim-derogatis-takes-on-ryan-schreiber-and-there-are-no-winners#c4571352 I find him more and more intolerable on "Sound Opinions". He just sounds like a cranky old man most of the time. However, for those of you on the anti "Vampire Weekend" team, he absolutely tore them a new one in his review a couple of weeks back. That being said, he never came out and said the album was bad, he just obviously, and for reasons stated here, hated the band. I thought it was just a lazy and weak review.

disinterested 3rd party

]]> 33:364667:c4571352 Thu, 06 Mar 2008 14:13:58 EST <![CDATA[Jim DeRogatis Takes On Ryan Schreiber, And There Are No Winners]]> http://idolator.com/364667/jim-derogatis-takes-on-ryan-schreiber-and-there-are-no-winners#c4570871 DeRogatis is a living, breathing ham sandwich. The proof of this is in the simple fact that he's the music editor (or whatever) for the Sun Fucking Times.

His musical opinions all junior high and shit.

However, he used to play in a band called Vortis with a guy name Weinstein (sp?) , and they were really funny.

mhale0

]]> 33:364667:c4570871 Thu, 06 Mar 2008 13:58:02 EST <![CDATA[Jim DeRogatis Takes On Ryan Schreiber, And There Are No Winners]]> http://idolator.com/364667/jim-derogatis-takes-on-ryan-schreiber-and-there-are-no-winners#c4570402 You know, I tried to read DeRogatis' book but I found him a pretty classic blowhard and pretty wrongheaded. Nothing I've come across since then has swayed me from that opinion. Seriously, the guy annoys me to no end.

Feh Am Legend

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