<![CDATA[The "Raconteurs Model": Is It Aimed At Preventing Leaks Or Muzzling Music Critics? (Or Both?) - Idolator Comments]]> http://cache.gawker.com/assets/base/img/thumbs140x140/idolator.com.png <![CDATA[The "Raconteurs Model": Is It Aimed At Preventing Leaks Or Muzzling Music Critics? (Or Both?) - Idolator Comments]]> http://idolator.com Thu, 20 Mar 2008 18:14:06 EDT Thu, 20 Mar 2008 18:14:06 EDT http://idolator.com/369168/the-raconteurs-model-is-it-aimed-at-preventing-leaks-or-muzzling-music-critics-or-both <![CDATA[The "Raconteurs Model": Is It Aimed At Preventing Leaks Or Muzzling Music Critics? (Or Both?)]]> http://idolator.com/369168/the-raconteurs-model-is-it-aimed-at-preventing-leaks-or-muzzling-music-critics-or-both#c4798903 @Chris Molanphy:

Those were the days, man.

Jan74

]]> 33:369168:c4798903 Thu, 20 Mar 2008 18:14:06 EDT <![CDATA[The "Raconteurs Model": Is It Aimed At Preventing Leaks Or Muzzling Music Critics? (Or Both?)]]> http://idolator.com/369168/the-raconteurs-model-is-it-aimed-at-preventing-leaks-or-muzzling-music-critics-or-both#c4759940 @lukaskaiser: If music criticism still mattered, Daughtry and Groban wouldn't be our country's top selling artists

Oh, yeah! Remember, back in the '80s, how the Smiths and the Replacements were the big sellers across the country, and Whitney Houston and Bon Jovi languished in obscurity?

Ah, critics were so much more important then...

Chris Molanphy

]]> 33:369168:c4759940 Tue, 18 Mar 2008 17:38:11 EDT <![CDATA[The "Raconteurs Model": Is It Aimed At Preventing Leaks Or Muzzling Music Critics? (Or Both?)]]> http://idolator.com/369168/the-raconteurs-model-is-it-aimed-at-preventing-leaks-or-muzzling-music-critics-or-both#c4758785 Let us not forget that Jack White owes his career and fame to the very critics/music journalists he's allegedly trying to kill/inconvenience. Critics were all over "White Blood Cells" nearly a year before the general public/V2 came around to it. (Also responsible: Michel Gondry/Legoanimation). So if anybody knows the benefits to be gained from a long-gestating buzz, rather than the dominant write it up/release it/shelve it/forget it cycle, it would be him.

Charles A. Hohman

]]> 33:369168:c4758785 Tue, 18 Mar 2008 16:47:56 EDT <![CDATA[The "Raconteurs Model": Is It Aimed At Preventing Leaks Or Muzzling Music Critics? (Or Both?)]]> http://idolator.com/369168/the-raconteurs-model-is-it-aimed-at-preventing-leaks-or-muzzling-music-critics-or-both#c4758375 i think this move proves that they just don't give a fuck about music critics. It's not on their radar... they have a fanbase, JW has a fanbase and if they get a single out there, they'll sell a few more records to boot. If music criticism still mattered, Daughtry and Groban wouldn't be our country's top selling artists, hands down. Maybe it could go the way of film criticism and take a populist turn to try to remain relevant... yeah, right, like music snobs will ever do that. PS Meg White has huge boobs.

lukaskaiser

]]> 33:369168:c4758375 Tue, 18 Mar 2008 16:31:26 EDT <![CDATA[The "Raconteurs Model": Is It Aimed At Preventing Leaks Or Muzzling Music Critics? (Or Both?)]]> http://idolator.com/369168/the-raconteurs-model-is-it-aimed-at-preventing-leaks-or-muzzling-music-critics-or-both#c4758079 @Maria T Sciarrino: Oh yeh. What's not to like there?

SneakingThroughTheAlleyWithLalley

]]> 33:369168:c4758079 Tue, 18 Mar 2008 16:20:35 EDT <![CDATA[The "Raconteurs Model": Is It Aimed At Preventing Leaks Or Muzzling Music Critics? (Or Both?)]]> http://idolator.com/369168/the-raconteurs-model-is-it-aimed-at-preventing-leaks-or-muzzling-music-critics-or-both#c4757762 @bcapirigi: Perhaps not in a print mag. But surely there's potential for a critical back-and-forth online - whether in comments sections, blog-to-blog, webzine-to-webzine, or any variation therein. Not to say it doesn't already happen - it does - but I think erasing the long lead time would help things along even more.

scott pgwp

]]> 33:369168:c4757762 Tue, 18 Mar 2008 16:11:07 EDT <![CDATA[The "Raconteurs Model": Is It Aimed At Preventing Leaks Or Muzzling Music Critics? (Or Both?)]]> http://idolator.com/369168/the-raconteurs-model-is-it-aimed-at-preventing-leaks-or-muzzling-music-critics-or-both#c4755602 Well, it's either this or make interesting music someone might care about on its own merits.

drjimmy11

]]> 33:369168:c4755602 Tue, 18 Mar 2008 14:53:40 EDT <![CDATA[The "Raconteurs Model": Is It Aimed At Preventing Leaks Or Muzzling Music Critics? (Or Both?)]]> http://idolator.com/369168/the-raconteurs-model-is-it-aimed-at-preventing-leaks-or-muzzling-music-critics-or-both#c4755578 @scott pgwp: Maybe? Is a review in a print magazine (or online one, or even on a blog) meant to be a conversation, though?

bcapirigi

]]> 33:369168:c4755578 Tue, 18 Mar 2008 14:52:39 EDT <![CDATA[The "Raconteurs Model": Is It Aimed At Preventing Leaks Or Muzzling Music Critics? (Or Both?)]]> http://idolator.com/369168/the-raconteurs-model-is-it-aimed-at-preventing-leaks-or-muzzling-music-critics-or-both#c4754844 Please -- the reviewers-getting-music-way-in-advance model is geared towards beefing first week sales. No reason that, for a band who says they aren't concerned about first week sales, an article in a print rag that comes out a month after street date can't continue to drive sales even then. The Guardian article just reads like a holier-than-thou critic upset he's lost his privilege of getting something ahead of everyone else.

Vince Neilstein

]]> 33:369168:c4754844 Tue, 18 Mar 2008 14:25:38 EDT <![CDATA[The "Raconteurs Model": Is It Aimed At Preventing Leaks Or Muzzling Music Critics? (Or Both?)]]> http://idolator.com/369168/the-raconteurs-model-is-it-aimed-at-preventing-leaks-or-muzzling-music-critics-or-both#c4754402 Yeah I mean it's a very cool idea to flatten out the conversation between critics and the public, to extend discussions about albums over the course of months rather than days or hours. But try explaining that to time-peg-obsessed assigning editors and ahead-of-time-peg-obsessed bloggers, who I don't think will be swayed to change their worldviews in three shakes of Jack White's tail. But it's nice to think of a world where that kind of looseness would be okay. Jeez, I mean you might even get to review two albums with tons of resonance which just happen to come out on different dates. Fancy that!

jetsetjunta

]]> 33:369168:c4754402 Tue, 18 Mar 2008 14:10:07 EDT <![CDATA[The "Raconteurs Model": Is It Aimed At Preventing Leaks Or Muzzling Music Critics? (Or Both?)]]> http://idolator.com/369168/the-raconteurs-model-is-it-aimed-at-preventing-leaks-or-muzzling-music-critics-or-both#c4754068 I don't think the no-lead-time thing will deter music "critics" (including amatuers like me), because that multi-month lead originates in a dependence on print magazines. Guess what: print magazines are dropping like flies, and those that remain are losing readers and credibility. They're also moving online to keep up with the blogs and the mp3/leak culture.

If the critics are moving online, where there's no need for a printing press, then why not give them one or two weeks to digest an album? They can do it. Keep score: how many Raconteurs reviews will be up by April 1? Plenty, I bet. Not to mention a video on youtube and all the banner ads you can click.

I say it's a good thing for criticism, because now everyone can hear the album at the same time and, perhaps, a better conversation can occur.

scott pgwp

]]> 33:369168:c4754068 Tue, 18 Mar 2008 13:58:11 EDT <![CDATA[The "Raconteurs Model": Is It Aimed At Preventing Leaks Or Muzzling Music Critics? (Or Both?)]]> http://idolator.com/369168/the-raconteurs-model-is-it-aimed-at-preventing-leaks-or-muzzling-music-critics-or-both#c4753847 @SneakingThroughTheAlleyWithLalley: Ew, really?

MTS

]]> 33:369168:c4753847 Tue, 18 Mar 2008 13:51:19 EDT <![CDATA[The "Raconteurs Model": Is It Aimed At Preventing Leaks Or Muzzling Music Critics? (Or Both?)]]> http://idolator.com/369168/the-raconteurs-model-is-it-aimed-at-preventing-leaks-or-muzzling-music-critics-or-both#c4753770 @Lucas Jensen: I agree, I think very often people's opinions are swayed before they hear the music by a prevailing critical sentiment. Also I think there is something to be said for re-evaluating the album some time after the first listen. Not to dredge up the corpse of the sacred music writing cow (gonna do it anyway), but take Lester Bangs' revisiting of Exile on Main Street. He initially was lukewarm on the album and then gave a really interesting examination of it a few months later, finding his opinion had changed completely.

PrinceHal

]]> 33:369168:c4753770 Tue, 18 Mar 2008 13:48:23 EDT <![CDATA[The "Raconteurs Model": Is It Aimed At Preventing Leaks Or Muzzling Music Critics? (Or Both?)]]> http://idolator.com/369168/the-raconteurs-model-is-it-aimed-at-preventing-leaks-or-muzzling-music-critics-or-both#c4753767 He's maybe hurting print criticism because of lead times etc. However, I almost guarantee that if it drops on tuesday it'll have its 85-93 on Metacritic by Wednesday (Unless there's a backlash to offset the slavish 100s that a few people are bound to pile on.) Maybe Pitchfork will take a week to crank out their review like they did with "In Rainbows," which they can do because they are Pitchfork.

However, I honestly think, from a reader's perspective; that having a slow burn of essays, criticism etc. around an album is vastly prefferable to dumping the whole "Record+Review+Number" hype/backlash echo chamber on the release date which is what, I think, this kind of release is trying to prevent. That's probably the thing I miss the most about Stylus, they weren't afraid to sleep on an idea and let it turn into something genuineley thought provoking.

Ideally, an album gets written about because someone was moved to write about it instead of just being scheduled to.

SuperUnison

]]> 33:369168:c4753767 Tue, 18 Mar 2008 13:48:17 EDT <![CDATA[The "Raconteurs Model": Is It Aimed At Preventing Leaks Or Muzzling Music Critics? (Or Both?)]]> http://idolator.com/369168/the-raconteurs-model-is-it-aimed-at-preventing-leaks-or-muzzling-music-critics-or-both#c4753652 Just as long as more artists don't start using "The Starr Model" and touring with Sheila E. and Peter Frampton, I'm cool.

Doug Llewelyn, Court Reporter

]]> 33:369168:c4753652 Tue, 18 Mar 2008 13:44:00 EDT <![CDATA[The "Raconteurs Model": Is It Aimed At Preventing Leaks Or Muzzling Music Critics? (Or Both?)]]> http://idolator.com/369168/the-raconteurs-model-is-it-aimed-at-preventing-leaks-or-muzzling-music-critics-or-both#c4753547 Well, release dates are used as much as an excuse NOT to write about stuff as to write about it. I think the entire release date obsession/pissing contest must be thoroughly dismantled if print is going to survive.

Lucas Jensen

]]> 33:369168:c4753547 Tue, 18 Mar 2008 13:40:20 EDT <![CDATA[The "Raconteurs Model": Is It Aimed At Preventing Leaks Or Muzzling Music Critics? (Or Both?)]]> http://idolator.com/369168/the-raconteurs-model-is-it-aimed-at-preventing-leaks-or-muzzling-music-critics-or-both#c4753419 I'll take two of the one in the vest, please.

SneakingThroughTheAlleyWithLalley

]]> 33:369168:c4753419 Tue, 18 Mar 2008 13:35:33 EDT <![CDATA[The "Raconteurs Model": Is It Aimed At Preventing Leaks Or Muzzling Music Critics? (Or Both?)]]> http://idolator.com/369168/the-raconteurs-model-is-it-aimed-at-preventing-leaks-or-muzzling-music-critics-or-both#c4753372 So music journalism is purely based on writing up crap on stuff they get to hear before a street date?

rainmkr

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